[MA] Southern Kung Fu, the Common Folk and Tong Hatchetmen

[Icelander]

Originally Posted by aesir23

Different philosophies then. I tend to think that since you can always attempt any technique for your Skil anyway, Styles should only present a few specialties. I also think that fewer techniques in a style make those specialties and fight philosophies clearer and the style write-up less cluttered.

When presenting a style with which players might not be familiar or even a fictional style altogether, I find that a lot of detail on the Technique menu makes it easier for them to make their combat tactics distinct and interesting. It's true that you can attempt any technique for your skill, but that doesn't mean that all of them are equally appropriate for a stylist of a given style.

Originally Posted by aesir23

That's better, but I would go even further: you get +1 to Parry (as a defensive Attack), and he gets -2 to attack you if you succeed (which amounts to another +1 Parry if he was planning to use Deceptive Attack). That seems to be reason enough to learn the technique (especially since it's so cheap and easy to learn.)

The thing is, I added the +1 to Parry more or less to avoid the Technique having a positive default. In the technique design system, it comes out to skill-1 only after I added it. If I dropped it, I would have to add some other benefit, like the one below.

Originally Posted by aesir23

I might even give it an alternative use (that fits with how it is used in boxing): Instead of the above bonus to parry and penalty to attack, you may choose to Evaluate on the same turn that you use a Defensive Jab.

As for allowing Evaluate alongside an attack, that's a huge benefit. It's an effective +1 to all defences (because you ignore 1 point of Deceptive Attacks) and a +1 to all your attacks in the next turn. That's a lot bigger than +1 to Parry. If I added it, I would have to lower the default a lot.

I'm not conceptually against allowing similar benefits as an Evaluate, but I think the same argument as before would apply. Instead of being 'like AoD, but better', it would be 'like Evaluate, but better'.

Originally Posted by aesir23

[EDIT] Come to think of it, I'll probably just make it a Style Perk.

That was my initial thought, but then I realised that buying off a penalty is pretty much the archtypical Technique.

Originally Posted by aesir23

The only one that really bothers me is Underhand Slash which seems to me to be an irreversible feature of (for lack of a better word) ergonomics.

I agree that a swinging attack in Reversed Grip should never be as effective as one made with more leverage, but I find that allowing characters to buy off half that penalty to be in line with how GURPS deals with similar situational penalties.

Originally Posted by aesir23

A couple of points to keep in mind: +1 Thrust isn't the only benefit of Reversed Grip, you also get +1 to Feints and Deceptive Attacks (!) (MA 112).

True. Very true. On the other hand, I've found that no player who doesn't have Reverse Grip at 16+ uses it for a knife*. So it's clearly not perceived as a viable alternative to a saber grip. My goal is to allow specialised training to make it a valid way to fight, not better, just different.

*Occasionally they do it for swords, for use in Close Combat.

Originally Posted by aesir23

Also consider that it costs 6 points currently to buy the Reverse Grip Technique up to full skill in order to be able to switch as a free action. This grants the benefits of both Reversed Grip Parry and Underhand Slash, plus the ability to get that extra reach when you need it, BUT it requires a skill roll every time you want to do it.

It costs from 0-7 points. If your skill is 22+, like main-line fighter in a DF game or pretty much any combatant in a high-power MA game, you don't need any points in the Technique. If you have lower skill, you have to spend points on the Technique. And you could theoretically get a No-Nuisance Roll Perk for it.** Even if you can't, requiring a skill check isn't really a very meaningful limitation when you have skill 16+ and thus only fail once in a blue moon.

So the alternative of being able to parry and slash in a sabre-grip and stab in an ice-pick one is often not all that expensive for characters that might consider spending five points on Techniques for a fairly specialised knife-fighting move.

**Arguably, spinning your weapon in your hand is not necessarily directly related to combat. Could just as well be a circus trick.