[FD] Sylph Preservation

[Pax]

Originally Posted by Clipper

No, the +X to either side cards, monster enhancers and so on don't stay in effect while they are not on the table.

To be fair, the quote is talking about monster enhancers specifically. Also there is precedent that when a card is returned to your hand the effect isn't canceled.

Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

At any rate, Andrew's response in this thread here would indicate that by playing Restraining Order would just give your opponent his cards back without changing the outcome of playing those cards.

But I suppose it is unknown if that is a specific ruling about Restraining Order, or a general ruling about cards being returned to the hand.

[Clipper]

Originally Posted by Pax

But I suppose it is unknown if that is a specific ruling about Restraining Order, or a general ruling about cards being returned to the hand.

It's actually consistent. The way I read that thread is that the effects of Restraining Order do not undo instant effects that are already complete, such as Pollymorph Potion. It would stop the effects that last until the end of battle such as Pretty Balloons and monster enhancers, though.

[Pax]

Perhaps, but the events that MM was responding to included a monster enhancer, true it didn't have an effect on the final result but it could have.

I guess I read the rulings as all effects persisted, which would make it simpler as people wouldn't be searching through their boxes looking for edge cases. Plus it would allow Sylph Preservation to have a use.

[Clipper]

Originally Posted by Pax

Plus it would allow Sylph Preservation to have a use.

It does still have multiple uses. You can still get the one-shots you play into your own battles back, just wait until you are discarding them. You also get to potentially take your opponents one-shots that they play into your battles as you are the one discarding them (either that, or you get your own cards back as the opponent discards them, once we get a confirmed intention of the card text). Any of your one shots that have immediate effects can also be brought back into your hand and played again via the other play method.

Doing it this way removes bookkeeping, as you don't need to remember which cards have been played and removed from the table to remember to keep applying their effects. Just look at what's on the table to figure out what the current combat strength is. It's not an edge case scenario as it's almost always clear which card effects are instantaneous and which are temporary. It also matches the rulings we have regarding Restraining Order and Potion of Apathy for cards returned to their owners.

Edit: Hmm, I think I'll take the you discarding thing to another thread just to avoid confusion.