[DF] Demolisher Template: 252 points?

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Dammann

Why is that? I thought that racial templates didn't count toward Disad limits?

They don't, but isn't Demolisher an occupational template (I don't have that Pyramid)?

[Turhan's Bey Company]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

They don't, but isn't Demolisher an occupational template (I don't have that Pyramid)?

Sorta. Demolisher is an occupation, but only dwarves can be demolishers.

[ULFGARD]

Originally Posted by Turhan's Bey Company

Sorta. Demolisher is an occupation, but only dwarves can be demolishers.

And everyone knows that being a Dwarf *IS* an occupation!

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Turhan's Bey Company

Sorta. Demolisher is an occupation, but only dwarves can be demolishers.

I'm confused then. If this -10 points in Secondary Characteristics are already part of Dwarf, then they shouldn't have any bearing on the cost of Demolisher directly. If not then they aren't racial.

[Langy]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

I'm confused then. If this -10 points in Secondary Characteristics are already part of Dwarf, then they shouldn't have any bearing on the cost of Demolisher directly. If not then they aren't racial.

Exactly so. The -10 in secondary characteristics aren't part of the Dwarf template, so they're still counted in the disad limit.

[Dammann]

Ah, I understand now. The Secondary Characteristics are part of the Character Template, and are not part of the Racial Template.

I was referring to the -12 points that constitute the difference between a typical DF Character Template (customarily -50 in Disadvantages) and the Demolisher (-38 in Disadvantages). Those "missing Disadvantages" mean more room before a Demolisher character hits his -75 point ceiling. Uh, given that they're Disadvantages, maybe I should say cellar.

But the Disadvantages Greed [-15] and Stubbornness [-5], which are part of the Dwarf Template from DF:3 are exempt, right?

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Dammann

I was referring to the -12 points that constitute the difference between a typical DF Character Template (customarily -50 in Disadvantages) and the Demolisher (-38 in Disadvantages).

Does that -38 include the -10 in Secondary Characteristics?

Those "missing Disadvantages" mean more room before a Demolisher character hits his -75 point ceiling.

Do DF characters have a -75 point limit? I thought it was -55 in Adventurers.

[Dammann]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Does that -38 include the -10 in Secondary Characteristics?

Aha, there are another -10 in Secondary Characteristics, in Reduced Basic Speed.

Do DF characters have a -75 point limit? I thought it was -55 in Adventurers.

If so, I've missed that, too. I always thought that they had a -75 point limit. Adopting -55 points makes chargen really simple, so you are probably right.

[Langy]

Originally Posted by Dammann

Aha, there are another -10 in Secondary Characteristics, in Reduced Basic Speed.

If so, I've missed that, too. I always thought that they had a -75 point limit. Adopting -55 points makes chargen really simple, so you are probably right.

They have a limit of 50 points in 'proper' disadvantages and 5 more in quirks.

[b-dog]

Originally Posted by ULFGARD

And everyone knows that being a Dwarf *IS* an occupation!

I really wish there were dwarf classes, elf classes and so on.