Weapon Masters/Trained by a Master and All-Out Attack(Double)

tfaal · 05-26-2012, 08:29 AM

Is there ever any reason for those with Weapon Master or Trained by a Master to use a straight up All-Out Attack(Double), instead of an All-Out Attack(Determined) with Rapid Strike? By my reading it seems that the former gives you no defenses and two attacks at no bonus, while the latter gives you no defenses and two attacks at +1. (+4 determined, -3 Rapid Strike with discount). It might make sense to use All-Out Attack(Double) in conjunction with Rapid Strike to get [0, -3, -3] attacks, but the benefits of that over the [-2, -2, -2] you get with a three-attack Rapid Strike and an All-Out(Determined) seem like something only a coplete munchkin would care about.

Another question I have is how to roleplay the difference between Rapid Strikes with All-Out(Determined) and All-Out(Double)'s. With All-Out(Double), you sacrifice defensive position for speed, which makes sense. With Rapid Strike, you sacrifice accuracy for speed, which makes sense. But then when you combine that with All-Out(Determined), you sacrifice accuracy for speed, then sacrifice defensive position for accuracy, in a way that's somehow more effective than just sacrificing defensive position for speed to start with. How in the world does that make sense?

05-26-2012, 08:29 AM	#1
tfaal Join Date: Feb 2012	Weapon Masters/Trained by a Master and All-Out Attack(Double) Is there ever any reason for those with Weapon Master or Trained by a Master to use a straight up All-Out Attack(Double), instead of an All-Out Attack(Determined) with Rapid Strike? By my reading it seems that the former gives you no defenses and two attacks at no bonus, while the latter gives you no defenses and two attacks at +1. (+4 determined, -3 Rapid Strike with discount). It might make sense to use All-Out Attack(Double) in conjunction with Rapid Strike to get [0, -3, -3] attacks, but the benefits of that over the [-2, -2, -2] you get with a three-attack Rapid Strike and an All-Out(Determined) seem like something only a coplete munchkin would care about. Another question I have is how to roleplay the difference between Rapid Strikes with All-Out(Determined) and All-Out(Double)'s. With All-Out(Double), you sacrifice defensive position for speed, which makes sense. With Rapid Strike, you sacrifice accuracy for speed, which makes sense. But then when you combine that with All-Out(Determined), you sacrifice accuracy for speed, then sacrifice defensive position for accuracy, in a way that's somehow more effective than just sacrificing defensive position for speed to start with. How in the world does that make sense?