As a "holy grail" for RPM casters how would you make a raise dead spell?

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

I don't think I have whatever book that advantage is in.

GURPS Powers: Divine Favor.

Retroactive sounds so munchkin-y even if R.A.W.

Really we've been down this road already with jeff_wilson's "reign of terror". It is in a call-out box specifically because it's only appropriate for games with a "revolving door afterlife". It is a deliberate analog of Raise Dead down to the "level draining" mechanics.

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

GURPS Powers: Divine Favor.
Really we've been down this road already with jeff_wilson's "reign of terror". It is in a call-out box specifically because it's only appropriate for games with a "revolving door afterlife". It is a deliberate analog of Raise Dead down to the "level draining" mechanics.

Really? I have Powers, and can't find it. Could you give a page reference, please?

Eh, still my opinion. But as I want a more extreme and rare version anyway, I guess it wouldn't quite fit as extra life, retroactive.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

Really? I have Powers, and can't find it.

Not GURPS Powers. GURPS Powers: Divine Favor

Could you give a page reference, please?

GURPS Powers: Divine Favor p 13.

Eh, still my opinion. But as I want a more extreme and rare version anyway, I guess it wouldn't quite fit as extra life, retroactive.

Yes, which is why it is specifically in that call-out box. The regular Resurrection miracle is more extreme and difficult.

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Not GURPS Powers.GURPS Powers: Divine Favor Could Standby.
Yes, which is why it is specifically in that call-out box. The regular Resurrection prayer is more extreme and difficult.

Oh, I don't have that one, so no need on the pages.

[munin]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

I don't think I have whatever book that advantage is in. ...

It's also a genre convention of the Monster Hunters series that you can buy Extra Life after you die (Miraculous Recoveries, MH1, p. 31). Using magic to do it would allow you to raise dead who don't have 25 unspent character points available to explain their recovery.

[Sunrunners_Fire]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

Eh, still my opinion. But as I want a more extreme and rare version anyway, I guess it wouldn't quite fit as extra life, retroactive.

Then you want Resurrection as described in Powers: Divine Favor, on pg 16. In short, its' an affliction that gives +2250% worth of advantages. This means it costs 450 energy just for that modifier (as per Monster Hunters 1, pg 34); meaning the spell is a big spell but not anything that a sufficiently large group of participants with a single caster can't spit out like clockwork.

[RyanW]

Originally Posted by munin

It's also a genre convention of the Monster Hunters series that you can buy Extra Life after you die (Miraculous Recoveries, MH1, p. 31). Using magic to do it would allow you to raise dead who don't have 25 unspent character points available to explain their recovery.

Which actually makes the Raise Dead power in P:DF a little redundant in MH games, since it is in a lot of ways Affliction (Right to purchase Extra Life retroactively).

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by RyanW

Which actually makes the Raise Dead power in P:DF a little redundant in MH games, since it is in a lot of ways Affliction (Right to purchase Extra Life retroactively).

It lets you purchase it by losing spent points, which is a bit different.

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by RyanW

Which actually makes the Raise Dead power in P:DF a little redundant in MH games, since it is in a lot of ways Affliction (Right to purchase Extra Life retroactively).

Yes, but I think they were making the comparison just for a magical aesthetic reason, not to actually use the divine power.

I am using the RPM in a way not specifically intended as a Cabal style hidden magic lower point setting.
I want death to be a near insurmountable obstacle, not revolving door after life even for PCs.
Cabal's inability to get stadiums filled with willing energy donors will make huge energy goals near impossible.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

It lets you purchase it by losing spent points, which is a bit different.

Often straight off DX or IQ for that old-timy-feeling of being worse at everything you do!

But it doesn't seem to reduce your "racial maximum" in that attribute, and since 4e made spending points to raise attributes after play starts cost the same as at character creation, you can sink points into it again to get it back to where it was.

Depending on the philosophy of the player, it's like the GM having a lien on your character while you're in point debt, instead of just owing him points.