Discarding Treasures with Lawyers

[MunchkinMan]

Originally Posted by Clipper

Thieves encountering Lawyers may discard two 'Treasures' to draw two new ones. Are Treasure cards in your hand considered to be Treasure for the purposes of this rule or is it like Items and they must be already in play to be discarded? On that point, are Items still Treasure once they are in play?

I have always ruled that any Treasure card, whether it be an Item the Thief had in play (not including one-shot Items the Thief actually played for the combat; for that circumstance, let's assume that Lawyer was added after the one-shot was played) or a card in the Thief's hand, may be discarded to use this effect.

It also says to draw these Treasures face down. It doesn't say it breaks the unbreakable rule that rewards are only gained at the end of combat, so I assume you have to wait until then to draw this Treasure, but if you win and there is a helper in the combat, how do you draw those Treasures?

This is not a reward, but a Monster effect. The Thief may discard his Treasure cards and draw new ones while in combat.

The rule that you draw Treasure face-up when you have a helper isn't unbreakable and cards override rules, so those treasures wouldn't be drawn face up like the other spoils of the combat. Are they drawn face-down and distributed with the other face-up cards as per the agreement with only the recipient discovering what they are after he takes them, or do they go to the Thief that actually discarded the Treasures?

As I said above, the Thief discards his cards and draws the new cards immediately. Once the Thief has accomplished this, Lawyer is discarded.