[DF] GURPS DF Undead

[Gold & Appel Inc]

This is another great example of a book that totally doesn't need to happen. Sure, a few people would buy it, and each and every one of them will be around shortly to say so, but it's a total non-starter as far as actually making money goes, because of the cultural differences between D&D and GURPS that we've discussed many, many times (ie: D&Ders want everything handed to them and will use everything they are handed; GURPSers want to DIY).

PS - Wrong forum.

[Ts_]

Well, I could imagine DF: Undead, which is 50% monster book, 20% new player races, 20% equipment for undead hunters, 10% GM advice (useful stuff for tombs etc). Well, it wouldn't fit exactly into the series, but one could split it up into the player/GM part and the monster part, I suppose.

To broaden the topic, one could make DF Monster 2: Animations, and just lump Golems, Vampires, Skeletons, and their creators (if any) all into the same book.

Not sure if that's what b-dog had in mind, but it could be interesting for graveyard robbers. On the other hand, DF:Monsters 1 already has an Undead template or some such judging from the table of contents in the preview.

Ts

[The Colonel]

Not a big afficianado of DF, but I can see the big problem with this being the "Universal" bit of GURPS - you could spend half the book just on various cultures ideas of vampires. Hell, you could probably fill a good chunk of it with modern western vampires.

Too much variation to my way of thinking - and doesn't GURPS normally work by taking a few baselines and then messing them about with lenses? Why bother with endless D&D style statblocks when you've got that as an alternative?

[Ts_]

Originally Posted by The Colonel

you could spend half the book just on various cultures ideas of vampires. Hell, you could probably fill a good chunk of it with modern western vampires.

"Could"? There already is Gurps Undead (3e), Gurps Blood types (3e) and Gurps Horror (4e) ...

[lachimba]

Originally Posted by Gold & Appel Inc

This is another great example of a book that totally doesn't need to happen. Sure, a few people would buy it, and each and every one of them will be around shortly to say so, but it's a total non-starter as far as actually making money goes, because of the cultural differences between D&D and GURPS that we've discussed many, many times (ie: D&Ders want everything handed to them and will use everything they are handed; GURPSers want to DIY).

PS - Wrong forum.

I think a case a little overstated.


Disclaimer:I have no connection to SJ Games etc

Here is a potential outline:

Title: DF X UNDEAD

Undead Races for PCs

- Sub Headings on a couple of interesting undead races that PCs can play

Classes:

A Class (or 2) built around undead as a concept... (already have necromancer and tomb raider is pretty close to thief, but I am not writing the book. Lenses etc

Monsters:

5 -10 pages of Lots of undead monsters

Powers:

Some undead specific DF powers.... IDK if 'level drain' has been covered yet in DF, but maybe it could be.

20 Page PDF. $7.99

How on earth would that not be (in principle) popular enough to sell or consider producing? Obviously it will depend on a number of factors, (SJ Games might already have DF Monsters 2 UNDEAD ATTACK, there might not be a good class or DF may already have too many books) but it is no more a book that no one would buy than DF Taverns or DF Psi are.

[Rasputin]

I can't see this being a great idea. I can see, and would advocate, more monster books, which would have undead in them, but given Summoners and Magic already, I can't see there being a need for an undead-dedicated book.

[aesir23]

Originally Posted by Rasputin

I can't see this being a great idea. I can see, and would advocate, more monster books, which would have undead in them, but given Summoners and Magic already, I can't see there being a need for an undead-dedicated book.

I agree, but I think an Undead themed Pyramid issue (that included articles for DF, Monster Hunters, and more generic Horror games) would make it into my shopping cart.

[Johnny Angel]

How about an undead themed adventure instead? Mirror of The Fire Demon included creature stat blocks for things relevant to the adventure, so I could see an adventure being a good way to introduce more undead. I feel that stat blocks for basic skeletons, zombies, and various other things would be great.

Personally, I actually feel that a monster book of undead would do well. However, if the consensus is there would not be enough material to fill an entire monster book, I feel an adventure would be the way to go.

[b-dog]

I just think that undead are interesting enough to have their own book. There could be info on designing their lairs, crypts and so forth. And also this being DF they could be boosted up with interesting powers and abilities to challenge the PCs.

[SCAR]

Kromm wrote the original 3e Undead.
He has also managed to get Zombie articles into several Pyramid issues.
I think he's a fan, and would/could write Undead 4e (DF or otherwise) at the drop of a hat, if there was a good enough reason to.
The non-crunch in Undead 3e is still all perfectly good.
Between Magic, Horror and DFM1 (and probably a few others), there are 4e templates for most of the Undead characters.
Monster Hunters (and Loadouts: Monster Hunters) and Horror covers those who hunt and kill Undead.

So there doesn't really seem to be a huge need for a new 4e Undead book!