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Old 02-08-2012, 03:31 AM   #1
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Ah, then that's a design flaw. Made too-like humans with something too-much resembling Free Will, to stray so far from the purpose they were made for.
Well, it's only a "design flaw" if you assume that angels don't have Free Will. If they have it, on the other hand, they simply did what they wanted to do instead of doing what they were supposed to do. The former led to all sorts of bad things (Nephallim, probably emotional pain for their human bed-mates, and so on) while the latter should've led to a better Humanity. The Grigori chose selfishness over selflessness - and were punished accordingly.

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Old 02-08-2012, 05:51 AM   #2
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Well, it's only a "design flaw" if you assume that angels don't have Free Will. If they have it, on the other hand, they simply did what they wanted to do instead of doing what they were supposed to do. The former led to all sorts of bad things (Nephallim, probably emotional pain for their human bed-mates, and so on) while the latter should've led to a better Humanity. The Grigori chose selfishness over selflessness - and were punished accordingly.

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That's such a huge question--I seem to recall a whole thread about it. Alas, my brain is fading tonight so I'm not going to go read it right now.

But offhand I'd say they have less Free Will than humans. They have a greater number of drives and compulsions, and while they can fight those as well as a regular guy they pay a higher price for doing so. The whole resonance/dissonance/Discord thing suggests to me that they have a basic nature, and working against that nature changes it. So effectively no, they don't have Free Will in a substantial way. Just that they'd be boring to play if they couldn't make any autonomous decisions!
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