Entangle & Hit locations

[Tinman]

I'm still confused...

So, you are saying it's a -4 to try entangle & -4 to strike the foot = -8?

Or is it a -4 to entangle & -2 to grapple the foot = -6?

For entagleing the foot it the location penalty (for just the foot) a -2 or a -4?

[DouglasCole]

Originally Posted by Tinman

I'm still confused...

So, you are saying it's a -4 to try entangle & -4 to strike the foot = -8?

Or is it a -4 to entangle & -2 to grapple the foot = -6?

For entagleing the foot it the location penalty (for just the foot) a -2 or a -4?

What you're seeing is disagreement. I see munin's point; there's some support for it. That would be the -4 for Entangle, PLUS the -4 for the foot.

I think that an alternate way would be to invoke the overall grappling rules for what is essentially a ranged grapple: Entangle at a base -4 and the grappling penalty for the foot at -2.

[Tinman]

Yes. I see that. Ofcourse, that is the exact replay of the conversation in my head whitch promped me to post here on the forum. :)

[DouglasCole]

Originally Posted by Tinman

Yes. I see that. Ofcourse, that is the exact replay of the conversation in my head whitch promped me to post here on the forum. :)

Well I do have a certain book being written right now, and it will great Entangle as a grapple. BUT . . . munin's point and method has merit, so I won't say "he's wrong," but rather "that's not how I'd do it."

If you're looking for a hard answer, you'll want to PM RPK or Kromm.

[Tinman]

yeah, Looks like I will have to. I was hoping for a forum consensus.
Thanks for you help DC.

[Refplace]

Originally Posted by Tinman

yeah, Looks like I will have to. I was hoping for a forum consensus.
Thanks for you help DC.

I lean towards the grapple part. Reason being it is easier to wrap a whip or chain around a foot then to actually hit a foot.
Grapples are assumed to be two handed in GURPS and I think that is why they take half the penalty to hit. Becasue your trying to wrap a target rather then hit it directly. So it coulbe because your trying to hit with two limbs or just a bonus for the wrap effect.
EDIT: Note that further support of that rationale is that an extra arm gives a similar bonus. +2 to grapple for each extra arm.

[DouglasCole]

Originally Posted by Refplace

I lean towards the grapple part. Reason being it is easier to wrap a whip or chain around a foot then to actually hit a foot.
Grapples are assumed to be two handed in GURPS and I think that is why they take half the penalty to hit. Becasue your trying to wrap a target rather then hit it directly. So it coulbe because your trying to hit with two limbs or just a bonus for the wrap effect.
EDIT: Note that further support of that rationale is that an extra arm gives a similar bonus. +2 to grapple for each extra arm.

On the other hand, a one-handed grapple gives many penalties (or lack of bonuses) to Contests in RAW grappling, but doesn't say "now you use striking penalties for hit location."

I think you hit it fully above (bolded).

Doug

[munin]

Originally Posted by Tinman

yeah, Looks like I will have to. ...

If you do PM Kromm or RPK, please post both your question and the answer back here. I'm interested too.