Bards: Masters of the Universe

mhd · 12-14-2011, 04:15 PM

Today's Order of the Stick comic had the following exchange with the evil overlord (who's the father of the groups's nincom-bard):

"You're the one who taught me that bards are underpowered" "They are! With their mastery of narrative structure, they should be ruling the entire cosmos by now, instead of wasting time singing in taverns."

Which would be an interesting concept, that could probably be used even in a more serious, less fourth-wall-ish campaign. So, give me some powers that could be interpreted in working that way, manipulating fate etc. (Straight-forward, unmodified Luck and Serendipity would be rather boring answers).

Gorkamorka · 12-14-2011, 04:28 PM

I would call it an alternative version of the 'Commons Sense' Advantage. The change being that you get to narrate what the common sense is in stead of the GM.

Anders · 12-14-2011, 04:35 PM

Or 'Illuminated'.

aesir23 · 12-14-2011, 04:39 PM

It could certainly justify Snatching (with some sort of "I had it all along" limitation), Gizmos, and Modular Summonable Allies.

"Now would be the perfect dramatic moment for my old rival/buddy from the sword-master academy to happen by. We have our differences, but we can hash them out after we've taken care of these orcs."

"Good thing I have the only copy ever made of the Lost Book of Toth. Who knew this would be useful when my aunt left it to me in her will." etc...

Also, Wild Talent (w/ retention) would be appropriate for skills pulled from the depths of your back story or unknown aptitudes that save the day at the last minute.

With a very generous and skilled GM, Modular Abilities (One Trait Only: Destiny) could be very interesting.

Affliction (Destiny), Affliction (Enemy), etc... would be great for the changing other people's stories.

mhd · 12-14-2011, 04:45 PM

Well, knowing what's going on (whether that's due to Common Sense or Illuminated) would basically imply that the universe is following those rules itself. And the bard narrating would be mega-cosmic-level reality control, if I understand that suggestion correctly.

Actually, bards being (partially) responsible for the narrative flow is a good concept. Scheming bastards with a rather unique Code of Honor. Or let's follow our usual genre mashups: Druids & bards certainly go together historically. Now our dungeon-y druids often are for a Moorcockian conception of "balance". So what if the bards are the CIA to the Druids' Swiss? Creating cosmic balance through action, heroes and villains, instead of just controling certain areas to make sure everybody stays out of it and the circle of life goes on? I could imagine two factions, but it's also possible that one order of bards does it. Or that there's no order at all, so the whole grouping of post-graduate bards is "chaotic", but their manipulating almost always goes against entropy by its definition, so it all evens out…

Your average party buff *is* a narrative influence, making sure that the actions are more heroic. Some kind of prophetic power would be possible, where only the bard's *character* sees the "meanwhile in the evil HQ" cut scene that the GM is narrating (but can't relate it to the other players due to his CoH and probably an enforced geas-like limitation).

A series of afflictions to enforce Campbellian archetypes ;)

Nosforontu · 12-14-2011, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mhd

Today's Order of the Stick comic had the following exchange with the evil overlord (who's the father of the groups's nincom-bard):

"You're the one who taught me that bards are underpowered" "They are! With their mastery of narrative structure, they should be ruling the entire cosmos by now, instead of wasting time singing in taverns."

Which would be an interesting concept, that could probably be used even in a more serious, less fourth-wall-ish campaign. So, give me some powers that could be interpreted in working that way, manipulating fate etc. (Straight-forward, unmodified Luck and Serendipity would be rather boring answers).

Affliction [Social Advantage/Disadvantage] could be terrifying in their application with one example from Doctor Who coming to mind. The Doctor had recently regenerated and was rather displeased with the current Prime Minister and whispered into her assistants ear "doesn't she look tired to you" which became a national meme that rapidly brought down her government with concern for her health.

johndallman · 12-14-2011, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Nosforontu

Affliction [Social Advantage/Disadvantage] could be terrifying in their application ...

Good old-style Celtic bardic satire could do that.

If the setting has small gods a la Discworld, songs that work on people's opinions about them can be terrifyingly effective.

For best results, work on the things that the GM would like to have happen, but can't quite justify within the setting as he has it.

lachimba · 12-14-2011, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by mhd

Which would be an interesting concept, that could probably be used even in a more serious, less fourth-wall-ish campaign. So, give me some powers that could be interpreted in working that way, manipulating fate etc. (Straight-forward, unmodified Luck and Serendipity would be rather boring answers).

'The Magic of Stories' from Pyramid Thaumatology cranked up to 11.

mlangsdorf · 12-14-2011, 07:41 PM

Super luck with Wishing and some kind of limitation that it only happens at dramatically appropriate moments would be a good power for a bard that controls the power of the narrative.

David Johnston2 · 12-14-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Gorkamorka

I would call it an alternative version of the 'Commons Sense' Advantage. The change being that you get to narrate what the common sense is in stead of the GM.

Rename it "Genre Aware"

12-14-2011, 04:15 PM	#1
mhd Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Land of the Beer, Home of the Dirndls	Bards: Masters of the Universe Today's Order of the Stick comic had the following exchange with the evil overlord (who's the father of the groups's nincom-bard): "You're the one who taught me that bards are underpowered" "They are! With their mastery of narrative structure, they should be ruling the entire cosmos by now, instead of wasting time singing in taverns." Which would be an interesting concept, that could probably be used even in a more serious, less fourth-wall-ish campaign. So, give me some powers that could be interpreted in working that way, manipulating fate etc. (Straight-forward, unmodified Luck and Serendipity would be rather boring answers).

12-14-2011, 04:28 PM	#2
Gorkamorka Ceci n'est pas un hyperlien Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Iceland	Re: Bards: Masters of the Universe I would call it an alternative version of the 'Commons Sense' Advantage. The change being that you get to narrate what the common sense is in stead of the GM.

12-14-2011, 04:35 PM	#3
Anders Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Gothenburg, Sweden	Re: Bards: Masters of the Universe Or 'Illuminated'. __________________ “When you arise in the morning think of what a privilege it is to be alive, to think, to enjoy, to love ...” Marcus Aurelius Author of Winged Folk. The GURPS Discord. Drop by and say hi!

12-14-2011, 04:39 PM	#4
aesir23 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Vermont	Re: Bards: Masters of the Universe It could certainly justify Snatching (with some sort of "I had it all along" limitation), Gizmos, and Modular Summonable Allies. "Now would be the perfect dramatic moment for my old rival/buddy from the sword-master academy to happen by. We have our differences, but we can hash them out after we've taken care of these orcs." "Good thing I have the only copy ever made of the Lost Book of Toth. Who knew this would be useful when my aunt left it to me in her will." etc... Also, Wild Talent (w/ retention) would be appropriate for skills pulled from the depths of your back story or unknown aptitudes that save the day at the last minute. With a very generous and skilled GM, Modular Abilities (One Trait Only: Destiny) could be very interesting. Affliction (Destiny), Affliction (Enemy), etc... would be great for the changing other people's stories. __________________ My ongoing thread of GURPS versions of DC Comics characters.

12-14-2011, 04:45 PM	#5
mhd Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Land of the Beer, Home of the Dirndls	Re: Bards: Masters of the Universe Well, knowing what's going on (whether that's due to Common Sense or Illuminated) would basically imply that the universe is following those rules itself. And the bard narrating would be mega-cosmic-level reality control, if I understand that suggestion correctly. Actually, bards being (partially) responsible for the narrative flow is a good concept. Scheming bastards with a rather unique Code of Honor. Or let's follow our usual genre mashups: Druids & bards certainly go together historically. Now our dungeon-y druids often are for a Moorcockian conception of "balance". So what if the bards are the CIA to the Druids' Swiss? Creating cosmic balance through action, heroes and villains, instead of just controling certain areas to make sure everybody stays out of it and the circle of life goes on? I could imagine two factions, but it's also possible that one order of bards does it. Or that there's no order at all, so the whole grouping of post-graduate bards is "chaotic", but their manipulating almost always goes against entropy by its definition, so it all evens out… Your average party buff is a narrative influence, making sure that the actions are more heroic. Some kind of prophetic power would be possible, where only the bard's character sees the "meanwhile in the evil HQ" cut scene that the GM is narrating (but can't relate it to the other players due to his CoH and probably an enforced geas-like limitation). A series of afflictions to enforce Campbellian archetypes ;)

12-14-2011, 07:41 PM	#9
mlangsdorf Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Austin, TX	Re: Bards: Masters of the Universe Super luck with Wishing and some kind of limitation that it only happens at dramatically appropriate moments would be a good power for a bard that controls the power of the narrative.