Mass Combat Spreadsheet

[Grey_Fox]

Glad you like the sheet Metaphysica =)

Where is the 10% TS thing for the support units mentioned in MC, i was working on the description from the front of the book "It means that the element’s TS can only be used when calculating special class superiority – never when determining the TS ratio". Looking at the example of the modern force in the back it is set up the same way, if you add all the values for the non-parenthesis units they add up to the total TS, so i may be doing it wrong but i don't think i am, point me to a page and i will double check myself though.

[vierasmarius]

Originally Posted by Grey_Fox

Glad you like the sheet Metaphysica =)

Where is the 10% TS thing for the support units mentioned in MC, i was working on the description from the front of the book "It means that the element’s TS can only be used when calculating special class superiority – never when determining the TS ratio". Looking at the example of the modern force in the back it is set up the same way, if you add all the values for the non-parenthesis units they add up to the total TS, so i may be doing it wrong but i don't think i am, point me to a page and i will double check myself though.

I think the 10% TS is a houserule that's been bandied about on the forum. It's supposed to deal with situations like a TL8 Heavy Weapons squad being instantly overrun by TL3 Medium Infantry, simply because they have an actual TS and the HW doesn't.

[Puppetminion]

Originally Posted by vierasmarius

I think the 10% TS is a houserule that's been bandied about on the forum. It's supposed to deal with situations like a TL8 Heavy Weapons squad being instantly overrun by TL3 Medium Infantry, simply because they have an actual TS and the HW doesn't.

It's errata/ a rule change. v1.2 of the PDF (august 2010) has the 10% rule but the original doesn't (I didn't download 1.1 so don't know about that one).

[Grey_Fox]

Well it certainly makes sense, i have wondered a bit about that myself in regards to modern air support having no effect with the enemy has no air units and stuff like that, i will make an update for the sheet and bring out a new version soon =)

[Metaphysica]

Originally Posted by Grey_Fox

Well it certainly makes sense, i have wondered a bit about that myself in regards to modern air support having no effect with the enemy has no air units and stuff like that, i will make an update for the sheet and bring out a new version soon =)

Great, thanks, and if it helps, posting quote here.

Page 27:

Determine each fighting force's makeup by element, noting in particular each element's Troop Strength (TS). For each side, total the TS of all elements to find the force's TS. Count paren-thetical TS at only 10% of its value, or as 0 if the element's sole class is C3I. It's also useful to make separate note of the total TS of each class of element – although this may be obvious from individual element records in small battles.

Page 31:

As explained under Preparations (pp. 26-27), determine each force's Troop Strength by summing the TS of all elements involved as combatants on that side, but counting support ele-ments (those with parenthetical TS) as only 10% of their TS (or 0 TS if their sole class is C3I).

[Grey_Fox]

New version up (see first post), lots of changes, added the 10% rule, added strategy to the battle sheet and a few others, as always if anyone finds a bug post it here and i will endevour to fix it, Happy Gaming!

[TJA]

Thank you, thank you, thank you!
:)

I am trying this with OpenOffice now, as i only have an old M$Excel.

[Grey_Fox]

Version 5 up (see above), changed the formulas so they hopefully work now =)

Version 6 is up too lol made a quick fix for C3I units

[ericthered]

I'm noticing a bug on super soldier. It says

Apply the modifiers under Quality (pp. 11-12) to doubled TS, not to base TS

but you are calculating Super soldiers as a flat +100%

also, is there a reason you can't add Air, calvary, or fire as a special effect? I actually have cases where it makes sense. (One army has flying demons with damage reduction and teleporting archers).

Also, I know you sometimes overwrite the TL, but for things where the TL matters, is their a better method than erasing the formula that's there with '3'?

edit: also, the (armor) addition seems to give very weak support, like 10% of the total, without neutralizing the threat

[Grey_Fox]

Originally Posted by ericthered

but you are calculating Super soldiers as a flat +100%

Nice catch, hadn't noticed that, having a look the super soldier is the only feature that modifies TS so it should be an easy enough fix for the next version, will need to move some stuff about but not too hard.

Originally Posted by ericthered

also, is there a reason you can't add Air, calvary, or fire as a special effect? I actually have cases where it makes sense. (One army has flying demons with damage reduction and teleporting archers).

I only listed the features that are in MC as features, however the sheet makes its calculations off the text in the Class field, so you could enter your own class features instead of the formula for your custom units

Originally Posted by ericthered

Also, I know you sometimes overwrite the TL, but for things where the TL matters, is their a better method than erasing the formula that's there with '3'?

I am yet to figure out a better way but am very open to suggestions =)

Originally Posted by ericthered

edit: also, the (armor) addition seems to give very weak support, like 10% of the total, without neutralizing the threat

Hmmm need to investigate this, a quick look and i think i may have some more screwy formulas =(

Thanks ericthered !