elf effect winning the game

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by soulreaing

Can an elf win the game (going up to level 10) using his special ability?
Does this counts as "going up a level by killing a monster"?

Yes, to both questions.

[whitecloud197]

Not to second guess you Andrew, But Im SURE The rules state the only way to win the 10th level is by winning a monster battle Only.

Cancel That, I found the Rule....I dont know why I thought it cannot:

http://www.worldofmunchkin.com/faq/

Important Note #1: Reaching Level 10

The general rule is that you may not reach Level 10 except by killing a monster. If you are at Level 9 and something else happens that would normally let you go up a level . . . you don't. You stay at Level 9. If you have a card or an ability that lets you mess with another player and get a level in return, you cannot play that card or use that ability.

BUT . . . certain cards specifically overrule this. If the card explicitly says that it can end the game, or that the level it grants can be the winning level, then obviously it can be. The corollary is that if the card does not say it can be the winning level, then it cannot be.

Note also that ANY level gained as a result of killing a monster counts as the winning level. If you have a Race or Class ability that lets you get an extra level after winning certain combats, that level can be the winning level. A Go Up a Level card played after combat, however, cannot be, because the card does not itself kill the monster.

Of course, this answer applies to Levels 19 and 20, not to Level 10, during Epic Munchkin games.

[MunchkinMan]

Originally Posted by whitecloud197

Not to second guess you Andrew, But Im SURE The rules state the only way to win the 10th level is by winning a monster battle Only.

To be honest, it's been that way since the game was released (or at least shortly after): An Elf helper can get the winning Level. Interestingly enough, this was the first question I ever ran by SJ in an e-mail, back in September of 2001. What can I say?: Elves are jerks, through and through.

[SmokeRulz]

Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

To be honest, it's been that way since the game was released (or at least shortly after): An Elf helper can get the winning Level. Interestingly enough, this was the first question I ever ran by SJ in an e-mail, back in September of 2001. What can I say?: Elves are jerks, through and through.

Hey, let's be fair now.

Orcs are jerks too.

[d-vils_wingman]

What if a power or some other card or combination of cards forces an elf to help without reward. Could that treat the levels as a reward and override the elf's racial ability?
Just off the top of my head, lets say a group are playing Fantasy and Bites. One person is a Werewolf, another is a Half-Breed Werewolf/Elf. The Werewolf has the Packmates power, which forces another werewolf to help without reward, and is in combat with a monster he can not beat without help. Using his power, he asked the Werewolf/Elf to help. Will the Werewolf/Elf get the level for helping?

[snarky]

Originally Posted by d-vils_wingman

What if a power or some other card or combination of cards forces an elf to help without reward. Could that treat the levels as a reward and override the elf's racial ability?
Just off the top of my head, lets say a group are playing Fantasy and Bites. One person is a Werewolf, another is a Half-Breed Werewolf/Elf. The Werewolf has the Packmates power, which forces another werewolf to help without reward, and is in combat with a monster he can not beat without help. Using his power, he asked the Werewolf/Elf to help. Will the Werewolf/Elf get the level for helping?

Yes, the level that the Elf gains is not a "reward" from combat, but a power that the race provides the player.

[mollaj]

Hello All, as an adenda to this, does an Orc / Elf Super Munchkin get 2 levels for helping AND winning by 10? If so could they go from 8 - 10 all outside of their turn?

Ta.