The Resurrection Lite Reign of Terror

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by RyanW

Basically, yes. Extra Life is a special case, and it only makes sense to me as a Past Only affliction when used on a dead person.

Adding Accessibility: Only on the dead seems like Healing (Accessibility: Only on the injured).

The nature of the ability, I think, but I agree with the spirit of that last sentence.

It occurs to me that perhaps Past Only is implying that the effects must only apply in the past, to avoid the paradox of it overlapping with Present Only (which is an effect w/o the Time-Spanning mod).

I feel one of my 'time-travel' headaches coming on :<

[jeff_wilson]

I haven't retreated under my bridge, but I have come down with a simultaneous programming deathmarch / bureaucratic paper chase at work/school that might last until June. I do appreciate the more civil tone later in the thread, and I'd like to continue without the above RL aggravation so I can return the favor. Thanks for understanding, you guys.

[sir_pudding]

I'm not sure the effect even really needs timespanning if you imagine the target is really the lingering spirit of the deceased. He gets an extra life that he can use right away and it's all happening in the present.

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

I'm not sure the effect even really needs timespanning if you imagine the target is really the lingering spirit of the deceased. He gets an extra life that he can use right away and it's all happening in the present.

Yeah, but that should be a setting feature of the GM's, rather than a character design decision, so it couldn't really be deemed broadly applicable.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Not another shrubbery

Yeah, but that should be a setting feature of the GM's, rather than a character design decision, so it couldn't really be deemed broadly applicable.

Isn't that an inherent assumption of the situation for which Raise Dead is intended? It's for death is cheap, revolving door afterlife D&D analogs. The trait is singled out and boxed for a reason.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by Not another shrubbery

Yeah, but that should be a setting feature of the GM's, rather than a character design decision, so it couldn't really be deemed broadly applicable.

Accepted character design decisions are pretty intimately entwined with setting features chosen by the GM, though. Like whether you get to use Divine Favor at all, and which miracles you can pick for your chosen god, and whether I'm allowing Raise Dead vs Resurrection or nothing at all.

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Isn't that an inherent assumption of the situation for which Raise Dead is intended? It's for death is cheap, revolving door afterlife D&D analogs. The trait is singled out and boxed for a reason.

You mean in Divine Favor? I couldn't say, but I gathered that the issue was with the general use of the power. For a particular setting, it may be the case that dead character's spirits hang around the body indefinitely, giving the GM a rationale for allowing Raise Dead to work. That's not a generic assumption, though. Using Time-Spanning attempts to bridge that gap, making the rationale available to more settings, by saying that the Extra Life was given to the character just before they needed it.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Not another shrubbery

You mean in Divine Favor?

Yes.

I couldn't say, but I gathered that the issue was with the general use of the power.

I can't really speak for jeff_wilson (honestly I often have trouble even understanding him) but as far as I can tell he was specifically objecting to the ability that appears in the Resurrection Lite box in Divine Favor that is called "Raise Dead".