Maledictions w/ No die roll required - is this legal?

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by Kuroshima

There is a way, but it's extremely expensive:
You need Malediction, bundled with Cosmic, no rule of 16, with enough will that on a 18, you, you still get 18 MoS, so anyone with an HT under 20 gets affected automatically

I don't think that works, if the attacker rolls 18, he failed, in which case he either didn't succeed or with Cosmic (NDRR) succeeded with a MOS of 0.

Cosmic: no rule of 16, means the rule of 16 doesn't apply, but that doesn't mean 17-18 aren't failures.

[jeff_wilson]

Originally Posted by NineDaysDead

I don't think that works, if the attacker rolls 18, he failed, in which case he either didn't succeed or with Cosmic (NDRR) succeeded with a MOS of 0.

Cosmic: no rule of 16, means the rule of 16 doesn't apply, but that doesn't mean 17-18 aren't failures.

It should depend on if it is an attack with resistance or a quick contest. Attacks fail on 17-18, but quick contests don't.

ETA: Well, crap. I can't find what's what now. There's supposed to be some circumstance where auto-fails don't apply but hanged if I can locate them.

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by Rev. Pee Kitty

But just to be clear, for a standard, hostile Affliction, the combination of the two means that if the attacker either fails his roll or declines to roll, his MOS is treated as 0, which means that the victim is very likely to defend successfully against it. If the victim still manages to fail, the ability afflicts him for a fixed duration of X minutes, regardless of the actual margin of victory.

Yeah. Of course, if the attacker has Cosmic: No Die Roll Required on his Affliction, he might as well roll, since he can't do worse than succeed by zero.

Originally Posted by jeff_wilson

It should depend on if it is an attack with resistance or a quick contest. Attacks fail on 17-18, but quick contests don't.

ETA: Well, crap. I can't find what's what now. There's supposed to be some circumstance where auto-fails don't apply but hanged if I can locate them.

General Quick Contests don't have auto failure. Even if one of the participants fails his roll, he can still win the QC if the other fails by a larger margin. It's QC Resistance Rolls that make success imperative for the attacker.

[jeff_wilson]

Originally Posted by Not another shrubbery

Yeah. Of course, if the attacker has Cosmic: No Die Roll Required on his Affliction, he might as well roll, since he can't do worse than succeed by zero.
General Quick Contests don't have auto failure. Even if one of the participants fails his roll, he can still win the QC if the other fails by a larger margin. It's QC Resistance Rolls that make success imperative for the attacker.

That was my recollection, but Quick Contest rolls still seem to still fail on 17 and 18. This is a problem when rolling them against high effective skills: If I roll 17 against my 25, I fail despite beating my skill by 8, but how much did I fail by? Can the other person fail "normally" and still beat me? What if we both roll 17's against my 25 and his 31? Who wins then and by how much?

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by jeff_wilson

That was my recollection, but Quick Contest rolls still seem to still fail on 17 and 18. This is a problem when rolling them against high effective skills: If I roll 17 against my 25, I fail despite beating my skill by 8, but how much did I fail by? Can the other person fail "normally" and still beat me? What if we both roll 17's against my 25 and his 31? Who wins then and by how much?

Only the margin will matter in most Quick Contests. Generally, a roll of 17 against a skill of 25 would be a Success by 8. See this old post of Kromm's, which I believe molokh put in the UFAQ.