Atomic Zombie skill

[Mr P]

Atomic Zombies get a +1 in each object that needs hand, that's clear.
In a game one player got "Another Zombie" a 2 hands card and asked me if the skill gave him a +2 because he was using 2 hands. I just let him use a +1.
What do you think about?

[MunchkinMan]

Originally Posted by Mr P

Atomic Zombies get a +1 in each object that needs hand, that's clear.
In a game one player got "Another Zombie" a 2 hands card and asked me if the skill gave him a +2 because he was using 2 hands. I just let him use a +1.
What do you think about?

The rule says that the Item gets +1, not that the zombie gets +1 per Hand used. So, you were right, and your player should pick something a little easier to misconstrue. :-)

[ComBAT]

On the topic of Atomic Zombie ability -

I don't have the card in front of me and I think it's a curse. To paraphrase, the card basically said to "discard an item that is giving you at least a +3 bonus".

The player who this card was played on was an Atomic Zombie. He claimed he could discard his +2 bonus 1-handed item because the Atomic Zombie Mojo made it a +3 bonus. We didn't really know how to interpret this situation and ruled as a group that the curse was intended to target the printed bonus on the item.

So for future considerations, do you think that the curse/card should be able to target a +2 bonus item that has a +1 due to the Atomic Zombie mojo? Or is the +1 a separate bonus from the item? We just didn't know how to interpret the cards target completely.

Thank you for your assistance.

[Mr P]

Thanks for the aswer, MunchkinMan.

And aswering the other question I thought that your friend were right because the item is giving a +3 right now so meets the requirements of the curse.

[uttwich]

I think it completely comes down to exactly what the card text says.

If the text states that you have to get rid of the item that gives you the biggest bonus, then you would have to take into account any additional bonuses you get because you have that item and your race/class/mojo/etc. So if you are an Atomic Zombie with a +3 weapon equipped in one of your hands (making it effectively a +4) and nothing else gives you more than +3, then you would lose the item that gives you an effective +4.

If the text states that you have to get rid of an item with greater than a +2 bonus, then I would argue that you would be able to keep +2 weapons that are in your hands because the weapon itself is only +2 (no explicit item enhancers making it greater than +2, just your race/class/mojo stuff).

At least that's how I would rule at my game. Hopefully it's correct...

[PK]

Originally Posted by ComBAT

On the topic of Atomic Zombie ability -

I don't have the card in front of me and I think it's a curse. To paraphrase, the card basically said to "discard an item that is giving you at least a +3 bonus".

Unfortunately, paraphrasing doesn't help. The way in which something is phrased is an important part of any rules question. Can you please post either the relevant text or the title of the card in question so we can look at the text ourselves?

[Blu]

Hey Rev, the Atomic Zombie ability gives a +1 bonus to the hand item, also making it a fire/flame attack. I think a better wording for the question would be, when a crad states to discard something that gives the biggest bonus, do the non printed modifiers count towards making it up to the +2 or +3? I think it would, since I believe the curse says item giving you the biggest bonus.

[ComBAT]

Originally Posted by Rev. Pee Kitty

Unfortunately, paraphrasing doesn't help. The way in which something is phrased is an important part of any rules question. Can you please post either the relevant text or the title of the card in question so we can look at the text ourselves?

My apologies for the ambiguity. I do not have access to the "curse" as my game is at a friends house. I was hoping that the paraphrase would ring bells to those who have played Munchkin Zombies and are familiar with the text on that card. It is certainly not discarding the item that gives the biggest bonus, but instead to discard an item that gives at least a +3 bonus. Whether or not it includes +2 bonus 1H items affected by the Atomic Zombie mojo is the question.

If anyone is familiar with this "curse"(as I'm pretty sure it is a curse) or has this card readily accessible, can you please post the exact text since my paraphrase may not be clear enough?

Thank you and much appreciated.

[MunchkinMan]

I'm going to say that the bonus given by the item is still the bonus on the card. The Atomic ability to add +1 to that bonus comes from the ability itself, and doesn't affect the bonus for the Item with respect to a Curse.

[Andrew Hackard]

And I'm going to say exactly the opposite, because the wording on that Curse was discussed during playtest. The reason the Curse uses the term "currently giving" is to avoid allowing someone to discard Items being carried but not used, but also to allow someone playing an Atomic Zombie to discard a +2 Item used in the Hand(s), since for them it is +3.

(Notice that Bowling items don't fill this condition; the Bowling item rule says YOU get the extra bonuses, not the items themselves.)