GURPS Dark Sun Conversion

[NineDaysDead]

A thri kreen template (I favour higher point templates that tend to significantly differ from baseline humans):

Thri-kreen:
2nd Ed: +2 Dexterity; +2 Wisdom; -1 Charisma.
3rd Ed (dragon magazine): +2 Strength, +4 Dexterity, +2 Wisdom, –2 Intelligence, –4 Charisma.
4th Ed: +2 Constitution; +2 Wisdom;


EPH = Expanded Psionics Handbook
TkoA = Thri-Kreen of Athas
DSCS1 = Dark Sun Campaign setting 1st Ed

Thri-Kreen
Weight: 450+d20 lbs
Height: 84 +1d4 inches (48 inches longer than they are tall)
Lifespan: Base age 6, venerable 25*, max age 25 + 1d10 years
*-1 Str/Dex

Human (Male/female)
Weight: 140/100 + 6d10 inches
Height: 60/57 + 2d8 inches
Lifespan: Base age, 15 + 1d8, Middle age 40**, old age 53***, venerable 80****, max age 80 + 2d20 years

** -1 Str/Con; +1 Int/Wis
*** - 2 S t r / D e x , - 1 C o n ; + 1 W i s
**** -1 Str/Dex/Con; +1 Int/Wis

Athasian Thri-kreen [370]
ST +5 (NFM -40%, SM+2 -20%) [20]; DX +3 [60]; IQ -1 [-20].
Speed +2.25 [45], WILL +2 [10], Per +2 [10].

Advantages: Afflication: Paralyzing poison (Follow-up: Sharp teeth +0%, Melee attack, No parry -35%, Paralysis +150% [22]; Doesn’t Sleep [20]; DR 5 (can’t wear armour -40%) [15]; Extra Arms +2 [20]; Extra attacks 4 [100]; Racial Memory (Reliable +8, +40%) [21]; Reduced Consumption 3 (water only -50%) [3]; Sharp Teeth [1]; Super Jump 2 [20]; Super Jump 1 (Vertical only -25%) [8]; Temperature Tolerance 10 [10]; Thri-Kreen Hunting Talent 4 [20]; Very Fit [15]; Vibration Sense [10].
Disadvantages: Callous [-5]; Hidebound [-5]; Racial Reputation: Hated by Elves -4 penalty, Large Class, Always recognised [10]; Sense of Duty: Clutch [-5]; Short lifespan [-10]; Stuttering (Not vs. own race) [-7].
Racial Learned Skills: Survival (Desert) [1], Tracking [1]
Taboo Traits: Cannot swim [0]

Thri-Kreen Hunting Talent: Camouflage, Naturalist, Navigation, Survival, and Tracking.
Reaction bonus: Hunters, and the like. 5 points/level

1. Strength
Thri-Kreen Weigh 450+d20 lbs, in GURPS that means they should have a ST/HP of 15. However, they didn’t receive a bonus to ST (though in 3.5 they get a +2, EPH p.15), and TkoA says:

Originally Posted by TKoA page 42

Size also prevents thri-kreen from supporting their bodies using arms alone, unless a thri-kreens maximum press figure from the Strength table in the Player; Handbook exceeds the total body weight. The thri-kreen must otherwise support or brace his or her body if the arms are used to try to climb or even to maintain a hanging position.

Originally Posted by TKoA page 52

Since most of the thri-kreens bulk is in its lower body and abdomen, a thri-kreen is considered man-sized when determining which weapons it can wield.

So I gave them ST +5 (No Fine Manipulators -40%, SM+2 -20%) [20], since a 460lbs leaping Thri-kreen should be able to make some nasty slam attacks.

2. Dexterity
Originally Thri-kreen had a minimum Dexterity of 17, in GURPS this should be greater than a mere +1. Kromm’s notes suggest 13.

3. Speed bonus.
Thri-kreen have a base movement of 18 compared to a humans 12. That’s 1.5 times as fast.
With the minimum dex of 17, they get an armour class bonus of -3. That’s 3 points of improvement over the average human.
Thri-kreen have the special ability to dodge missiles.

I folded all of this into a high speed score.

4. IQ, WILL and Per modifiers
Thri-kreen have a -1 to INT and a +1 to WILL, making them less intelligent and more wise than the average human.

5. DR 5 (can’t wear armour -40%) [15]

Originally Posted by DSCS1 page 16

A thri-kreens exoskeleton is extremely hard, and gives the creature a base armor class of 5.

TKoA has this as AC 8, but I believe that got errated in sage advice, and in 2nd ed reverts back to AC 5. DR 5 is giant tortoise level.

6. Extra attacks 4 [100]

Originally Posted by DSCS1 page 17

They are able to make one bite and four claw attacks per round.

It might be worth putting a limitation on the last 3 levels, since if they’re using a weapon they can only make 2 attacks, 1 bite + 1 weapon attack.

7. Super Jump 2 [20]; Super Jump 1 (Vertical only -25%) [8]

Originally Posted by DSCS1 page 17

The thri-kreen can leap 20 feet straight up or up to 50 feet straight forward.

With a speed of 8 this gives 52 feet horizontally and 25 feet 4 inches vertically.

8. Vibration Sense [10].

Originally Posted by TKoA page 39

The thri-kreens sensitive antennae, which detect tiny changes in air pressure, reduce melee combat penalties due to darkness, blindness, or invisibility by 1 point (or 5%, as appropriate).

Originally Posted by DSCS 1st Ed page 16

ranged activities (like missile combat) do not gain this benefit).

Originally Posted by GURPS page 96

You can detect the location and size of objects by sensing vibrations with your skin, whiskers, or antennae.

9. Temperature Tolerance 10 [10]
Thri-kreen can keep hunting throughout the midday heat and cold desert nights.






EDIT: Revised version:
Athasian Thri-kreen [333]
ST +5 (NFM -40%, SM+2 -20%) [15]; DX +3 [60]; IQ -1 [-20].
Speed +2.25 [45], WILL +2 [10], Per +2 [10].

Advantages: Afflication: Paralyzing poison (Follow-up: Sharp teeth +0%, Melee attack, No parry -35%, Paralysis +150% [22]; Doesn’t Sleep [20]; DR 5 (can’t wear armour -40%) [15]; Extra Arms +2 [20]; Extra attack (Single Skill: Bite, -20%) 1 [20]; Extra attacks (Single Skill: Claws, -20%) 3 [60]; Racial Memory (Reliable +8, +40%) [21]; Reduced Consumption 3 (water only -50%) [3]; Sharp Teeth [1]; Sharp Claws [5]; Super Jump 2 [20]; Super Jump 1 (Vertical only -25%) [8]; Temperature Tolerance 10 [10]; Thri-Kreen Hunting Talent 4 [20]; Very Fit [15]; Vibration Sense [10].
Disadvantages: Callous [-5]; Compulsive Hunting (15 or less) [2]; Hidebound [-5]; Odious Racial Habit (eats other sapients) [-15]; Racial Reputation: Hated by Elves -4 penalty, Large Class, Always recognised [10]; Sense of Duty: Clutch [-5]; Short lifespan [-10]; Stuttering (Not vs. own race -50%) [-7].
Racial Learned Skills: Survival (Desert) [1], Tracking [1]
Taboo Traits: Cannot swim [0]

[NineDaysDead]

Elf [105]
Attribute Modifiers: DX +3 [60];
Secondary Characteristic Modifiers: HP -1 [-2]; WILL -2 [-10]; Basic Speed +0.25 [5]
Advantages: Acute Vision +2 [4]; Extended Lifespan 1 (Only X1.5 -50%)[1]; Infravision [10]; Intuition (Reflexive +40%; Reliable +8, +40%) [27]; Long Legs [10]; Magery 1 [15]; Temperature Tolerance 2 [2].
Disadvantages: Claustrophobia (15 or less) (Takes extra time 8 [x256], -80%) [-1]; Demophobia (15 or less) (Takes extra time 8 [x256], -80%) [-1]; Easy to Kill 2 [-4]; Impulsiveness (6 or less) [-20]; Racial Reputation (-2 with everyone outside tribe, always) [-10].
Perks: No Endurance rolls for Running [1].
Racial Skill Bonus: Running +3 [6]
Racial Learned Skills: Running 16 HT+6* [12]
*Includes Racial Skill Bonus.
Taboo Traits: Agoraphobia, Honesty, No Sense of Humor, Truthfulness and Workaholic.
Common Advantages: Intuition (Inspired +100%) [+15];

Notes: The intuition is instead of a bonus to IQ:

Originally Posted by Elves of Athas, page 21

Elves have an inherent tendency to be highly intelligent. This intelligence manifests itself not as introspection and complex planning but as intuitive leaps of genius in the now. They can determine the best course of action from moment to moment, thinking on their feet with nearly flawless mental agility.

Acute Vision +2 [4];

Originally Posted by Elves of Athas, page 12

They can see farther and with more clarity than a human or half-elf.

[Crakkerjakk]

I'd strongly recommend using the Clopterrans from DF as a thri-kreen base template to tweak slightly for dark sun. In particular, Jurgen, your thri-kreen probably need horrific appearance, disturbing voice, and extra attack 1. Low tech level is probably important as most thri-kreen seem to be TL 0 nomads.

Also, psionic powers.

[Jürgen Hubert]

Originally Posted by NineDaysDead

A thri kreen template (I favour higher point templates that tend to significantly differ from baseline humans):

Athasian Thri-kreen [370]
ST +5 (NFM -40%, SM+2 -20%) [20]; DX +3 [60]; IQ -1 [-20].

I can see making them SM+1 given their height and especially length. In fact, I should probably do give them that in the next version. However, SM+2 seems a bit much, given that they don't have nearly as much bulk as half-giants. Furthermore, I wouldn't give them increased ST, either - they never got any Strength bonuses in the original material, and much of their musculature is probably used to support that heavy exoskeleton as well as their leaping muscles. Furthermore, I consider +2 DX to be plenty - that's already very, very dexterous (the same goes for your elves).

I will have to think about the other elements in your list. I think your writeup would make for a fine "Dungeon Fantasy"-style enemy writeup - a dangerous foe of the desert. However, for a base racial template this is probably a bit much, and I would prefer it if they remain playable for ordinary "heroic" campaigns at 150 points or less.

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by Jürgen Hubert

I can see making them SM+1 given their height and especially length. In fact, I should probably do give them that in the next version. However, SM+2 seems a bit much, given that they don't have nearly as much bulk as half-giants.

You're right they don't have as much bulk as half-giants. I'm just following GURPS rules for determining SM:

When creating a creature that is larger or smaller than a human, find its SM by looking up its longest dimension – height for upright creatures such as giants, length for horizontal creatures such as cats and dragons, diameter for blobs – on the Size Modifier Table (above).
If a creature’s longest dimension falls between two entries on the table, base its SM on the higher value. Box-, sphere-, or blob-shaped characters add +2 to SM; elongated boxes, like most ground vehicles, add +1.

Their longest dimension is 10 foot 8 inches to 11 foot.

Furthermore, I wouldn't give them increased ST, either - they never got any Strength bonuses in the original material, and much of their musculature is probably used to support that heavy exoskeleton as well as their leaping muscles.

Well 3rd ed gave them Strength +2, but one of thes reason I gave them:
ST +5 (NFM -40%, SM+2 -20%) [15];
is that they mass 450lbs -470 lbs. Think about what that should mean for slams. You could drop that to HP +5 (SM+2 -20%) [8]; which saves 7 points.

Originally Posted by Jürgen Hubert

Furthermore, I consider +2 DX to be plenty - that's already very, very dexterous (the same goes for your elves).

Originally Posted by Thri-kreen of athas page 23

Despite their great size, thri-kreen are quite dexterous. The adjusted Dexterity for a thri-kreen player character ranges from a minimum of 17 to a maximum of 22. While the most agile halflings and elves are equal to the most agile thri-kreen, the average thri-kreen is more dexterous than an average member of any other race.

[Pragmatic]

Less focus on the details, more focus on the feeling.

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Less focus on the details, more focus on the feeling.

Templates are made of details, the emergent properties of these details contribute to the feeling.

[Pragmatic]

Right. But trying to do exact conversions of AD&D material to GURPS are generally doomed. (For instance, try to get non-supers characters to fight a converted Great Wyrm red dragon...)

Within the setting of Dark Sun, what is the feeling of Thri-kreen?

[Crakkerjakk]

Originally Posted by Pragmatic

Right. But trying to do exact conversions of AD&D material to GURPS are generally doomed. (For instance, try to get non-supers characters to fight a converted Great Wyrm red dragon...)

Within the setting of Dark Sun, what is the feeling of Thri-kreen?

Me and him did this tango earlier. Better just to move on, I think.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by NineDaysDead

Well 3rd ed gave them Strength +2, but one of thes reason I gave them:
ST +5 (NFM -40%, SM+2 -20%) [15];

Except by RAW, you can't do this unless they also have NFM, which they don't (and shouldn't). You could give them Weak Arms instead.