Is there a reason why there is no table for submachine guns in GURPS Lite 4e?

[Darekun]

My own objection to GURPS Lite is that it isn't low-res, just incomplete. For example, GURPS Ultra-Lite is very low-res, but complete. It's a simpler game. GURPS Lite, OTOH, is a slice of full GURPS. Hm, Frosty, have you looked at GURPS Ultra-Lite?

Of course, I want a system that generally lets me tune the res to the campaign. GURPS isn't that system; for the most part, it doesn't change res, instead it changes completeness. So Lite actually works as a better demo the way it is, that's just not a good thing :J

If, for example, you had a system that implemented tunable res with "redundant" rules modules of varying length/res/etc, then you could list only the lowest-res rules modules and have a complete, Lite-sized game. The result would play more like Risus(which is about Lite-sized, but complete, because it's always low-res).



One way to naively interpret an ROF stat would be multiple attack rolls per action. That's unwieldy when rolling actual dice, but effective.

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

One thing Lite is useful for is as a quick reference for players who don't own the Basic Set, but are playing in a full GURPS game.

IIRC, it's not compatible enough for that. When I assumed that would work and ran an online game where one player only had Lite, his character ended up incompatible. (Something to do with medical skills, I think…)



For a Lite magic, I think Hawthorne magic(the system in G: Magic) is entirely the wrong way to go. It's specifically oriented toward vast rules word-counts. Maybe stripped down and "canned" builds of Control and Create from Powers?

[Lupo]

Originally Posted by Darekun

My own objection to GURPS Lite is that it isn't low-res, just incomplete. For example, GURPS Ultra-Lite is very low-res, but complete. It's a simpler game.

Yes, that's right.
Actually I think that both games are not particularly good a "simple, standalone games". After all, why they should be? This is hardly the main concern of GURPS. And I doubt that it is really possible to build a game which works very well on many different "resolutions". Simple games make assumptions and design choices which are fundamentally different from those of "complex" games.

There are plenty of simple (and very simple) games around, many of them are free, too, and I think they work better than GURPS Ultra-Lite or Lite for this purpose. (They better do, since it's the only thing they can do!)

E.g., if I want to play a game simpler than chess, I will play checkers... I won't play chess with just 4 pieces. And if I want to play a simple RPG for a quick evening of play, I'd probably choose Risus, or the basic rules of Fudge, rather than GURPS Lite.