Is there a reason why there is no table for submachine guns in GURPS Lite 4e?

[Frosty]

The lack of a table for submachine guns in GURPS Lite Fourth Edition has always puzzled me. Is there a reason why it was excluded?

EDIT: I just realised that this also applies to GURPS Lite Third Edition.

[Mailanka]

Originally Posted by Frosty

The lack of a table for submachine guns in GURPS Lite Fourth Edition has always puzzled me. Is there a reason why it was excluded?

EDIT: I just realised that this also applies to GURPS Lite Third Edition.

Space considerations?

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Mailanka

Space considerations?

That probably was a contributing factor, but I don't think that was the reason why.

[sir_pudding]

The Rapid Fire rules don't appear in GURPS Lite.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

The Rapid Fire rules don't appear in GURPS Lite.

Oh. So the simplified mechanics of GURPS Lite don't allow for the use of submachine guns?

[Mailanka]

Originally Posted by Frosty

That probably was a contributing factor, but I don't think that was the reason why.

I don't see why you need to look further than that. Most of GURPS isn't in GURPS Lite. Dozens of advantages, disadvantages, skills, rules, etc. Picking out one thing and saying "Why not this?" seems backwards. Why do you think submachine guns are so vital to GURPS that A) SJGames should give away those rules for free and B) give up some of that vital 32 page real-estate?

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Mailanka

I don't see why you need to look further than that. Most of GURPS isn't in GURPS Lite. Dozens of advantages, disadvantages, skills, rules, etc. Picking out one thing and saying "Why not this?" seems backwards. Why do you think submachine guns are so vital to GURPS that A) SJGames should give away those rules for free and B) give up some of that vital 32 page real-estate?

The skill for submachine guns was still included in GURPS Lite Fourth Edition.

[Mailanka]

Originally Posted by Frosty

The skill for submachine guns was still included in GURPS Lite Fourth Edition.

So was Flamethrower, but no actual flamethrower weapon, and Blowpipe, but no blowpipe weapon. They included Physician, but they don't include any rules for it (the only medical rules are first aid). Flail skill, but no flails. Engineering, but no invention rules, Occultism but no magic, electronic ops but no electronics, computer ops but no computers, explosives but no rules for explosives, vehicle skills but no vehicles. Want me to go on?

It's a sample product. It's a pretty good one, and you can even run a game from it, but it's very far from complete.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Frosty

Oh. So the simplified mechanics of GURPS Lite don't allow for the use of submachine guns?

Yeah, David Pulver has said that the Shotgun was included by mistake.

[Frosty]

Originally Posted by Mailanka

So was Flamethrower, but no actual flamethrower weapon, and Blowpipe, but no blowpipe weapon. They included Physician, but they don't include any rules for it (the only medical rules are first aid). Flail skill, but no flails. Engineering, but no invention rules, Occultism but no magic, electronic ops but no electronics, computer ops but no computers, explosives but no rules for explosives, vehicle skills but no vehicles. Want me to go on?

It's a sample product. It's a pretty good one, and you can even run a game from it, but it's very far from complete.

After what all of the things you just mentioned, that actually sounds pretty close to impossible.

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Yeah, David Pulver has said that the Shotgun was included by mistake.

The shotgun too? Oh, man.