Stoned golem and kneepads of allure

[comino]

If Player A uses kneepads of allure to make Player B help her in combat with stoned golem. Can Player B just choose wave to a golem and go away?
Leaving player A alone in combat.

[StaticHamster]

Since this is Player A's fight I believe that they have to make the decision of whether to fight or not.

I think the clause on being able to choose not to fight is more of an automatic escape. Combat is over when you agree that you cannot beat the monster and make the attempt to run away and you must both run away.

[Kirt]

Originally Posted by The FAQ

Q. What happens when a Wandering Monster comes along that would ignore or befriend one player in a fight, but not the other? For instance, when the Wandering Monster is an Amazon and one player is female?
A. When one player helps another, the monsters do not fight the players separately . . . so if one player is female, the wandering Amazon would donate a Treasure and leave without fighting. Likewise, the Stoned Golem makes a bad Wandering Monster because the victims can just ignore it. (Remember that Treasures always go to the main fighter to distribute according to whatever agreement was reached.)

Unfortunately the FAQ doesn't specify whether "the victims can just ignore it" means

a) "BOTH of the victims ignore it, as long as the MAIN combatant wants to",
b) "BOTH of the victims can ignore it, as long as they BOTH want to", or
c) "BOTH of the victims ignore it, as long as EITHER of them wants to".




Combat isn't over BY CHOICE until the main combatant declares that he is running away - the helper has no say.

On the other hand, combat can be ended PER FORCE by a helper with the right items or powers - a wizard can charm a monster, a cleric can say "booga, booga" to the wannabe vampire, a helper can make himself female* in a fight against the amazon or make himself a thief* in a fight against the lawyer. All of these can end the combat without the consent of the main combatant.

So, my sense would be that the helper can END the fight (that is, can make the monster leave) but cannot unilaterally LEAVE the fight himself.

In the case of the Stoned Golem, where you "wave, walk past, and let him keep his treasure" it seems to me that the helper waving is not making the monster leave, rather it is the munchkin seeking to leave, and if the main combatant still wants that treasure then there would be no effect.

Of course, it has been ruled that if the Stoned Golem were just one monster in a multi-monster fight, then in COULD be dismissed while the combat continued.

So...I don't know. Good question, let's wait for the official ruling.

*Not in the sense of playing a card from the hand, since it is not his turn. But he could, for example, curse himself to change sex or class, etc.

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by Kirt

Unfortunately the FAQ doesn't specify whether "the victims can just ignore it"

That's because the helper never gets to make the decision whether to continue fighting or try to Run Away, so there's no ambiguity. If the main fighter decides to Run Away, the Stoned Golem will ignore the munchkins (unless one or both are Halflings, in which case the Golem does not ignore the Halfling(s), as the card specifies).

Originally Posted by Kirt

Of course, it has been ruled that if the Stoned Golem were just one monster in a multi-monster fight, then in COULD be dismissed while the combat continued.

This is not an accurate ruling, and if you can find a cite, I'd like to see it so we can correct it there. (I did a quick search and did not find such a reference.)

[Kirt]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

This is not an accurate ruling, and if you can find a cite, I'd like to see it so we can correct it there. (I did a quick search and did not find such a reference.)

MM said

"When you fight Monsters, you fight them all. Yes, you can use special cards and abilities to remove a Monster, but you still have to fight all the Monsters together. There are very few exceptions where a Monster can be ignored (Stoned Golem), but they are exceptions."



Also, the FAQ itself says "Likewise, the Stoned Golem makes a bad Wandering Monster because the victims can just ignore it."

It doesn't say "the Stoned Golem makes a REALLY bad Wandering Monster because the victims can just ignore it and the monster it was added to, both".

[MunchkinMan]

And I can assert that SJ wrote that FAQ entry and we left it untouched when we did the FAQ edits.

[thedag]

Originally Posted by Kirt

MM said

"When you fight Monsters, you fight them all. Yes, you can use special cards and abilities to remove a Monster, but you still have to fight all the Monsters together. There are very few exceptions where a Monster can be ignored (Stoned Golem), but they are exceptions."



Also, the FAQ itself says "Likewise, the Stoned Golem makes a bad Wandering Monster because the victims can just ignore it."

It doesn't say "the Stoned Golem makes a REALLY bad Wandering Monster because the victims can just ignore it and the monster it was added to, both".

I'm a bit confused by this post so could someone explain it for those like me who are a bit slow! My understanding is below

To me this is simply saying that if the monster is added to a fight as a wandering monster then it can be ignored. However that does not apply to the question in this thread as the person has chosen not to ignore it therefore it is going to fight.

[Andrew Hackard]

I'm going to have to discuss this with TPTB. Thread closed until we can get a resolution.