Bad stuff vs. Platycore at level 1

killswitch1968 · 11-07-2010, 05:54 PM

I fought a Platycore at level 1, and lost. The card says discard your hand OR lose 2 levels. Because I can't lose 2 levels, did I have to automatically discard my hand? What if I was at level 2, would there be a choice then?

Thanks!

MunchkinMan · 11-07-2010, 06:06 PM

When given a choice, and only one choice is possible, you must take the choice that actually causes some Bad Stuff to happen.

killswitch1968 · 11-07-2010, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

When given a choice, and only one choice is possible, you must take the choice that actually causes some Bad Stuff to happen.

What if I was at level 2? Would I lose "two" levels and go down to 1, or be forced to discard my hand? What if I had no more cards to discard?

I know this is getting a bit preposterous but I had this happen to me today so not sure how to work this.

snarky · 11-07-2010, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by killswitch1968

What if I was at level 2? Would I lose "two" levels and go down to 1, or be forced to discard my hand? What if I had no more cards to discard?

I know this is getting a bit preposterous but I had this happen to me today so not sure how to work this.

If you can't lose two levels, then you can't take that option. Since you're a 2nd level character, and you cannot go lower than level 1, you must discard your hand.

Polyceph · 11-07-2010, 07:29 PM

Okay- what if someone has no cards in their hand but is level 2. Do they suffer no bad stuff as they can't lose 2 levels, or do they go to level 1?

snarky · 11-07-2010, 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyceph

Okay- what if someone has no cards in their hand but is level 2. Do they suffer no bad stuff as they can't lose 2 levels, or do they go to level 1?

I would say that, since you cannot "lose two levels", you must discard your hand. That hand, however, consists of zero cards.

If, however, you take the position that Bad Stuff *must* happen, then I suppose you would drop to 1st level again.

Nerftw · 11-07-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by snarky

I would say that, since you cannot "lose two levels", you must discard your hand. That hand, however, consists of zero cards.

If, however, you take the position that Bad Stuff *must* happen, then I suppose you would drop to 1st level again.

It's been ruled in many cases, though, that you cannot discard a "hand" consisting of zero cards.

snarky · 11-07-2010, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Nerftw

It's been ruled in many cases, though, that you cannot discard a "hand" consisting of zero cards.

If that's the case, then I guess you drop to level 1...I think the most important thing is that something bad has to happen.

Kirt · 11-07-2010, 10:41 PM

MM previously ruled on just this card that if you can't lose TWO levels, you must lose your hand. It is not enough for just SOME of the Bad Stuff to happen, it has to be the "choice" that results in ALL of the Bad Stuff.

"No matter what, I've always ruled that Bad Stuff has to be Bad if it can be. Beyond that, in the FAQ, we've made it clear that an empty hand is not a hand. So, given ALL of that, if you have no hand, you have to lose 2 Levels, and if don't have 2 Levels to lose, you have to discard your hand."

However, Andrew ruled more recently that just a little bad stuff is enough, as long as it is bad.

"Yes, you can choose the "lose 2 levels" option and lose 1 level, because that at least hurts you a little. You can't choose "lose 2 levels" if you have no levels to lose and the other option DOES affect you."

Andrew Hackard · 11-07-2010, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Kirt

However, Andrew ruled more recently that just a little bad stuff is enough, as long as it is bad.

"Yes, you can choose the "lose 2 levels" option and lose 1 level, because that at least hurts you a little. You can't choose "lose 2 levels" if you have no levels to lose and the other option DOES affect you."

This isn't Andrew ruling this way; this is Steve. He trumps both Erik AND me.

11-07-2010, 05:54 PM	#1
killswitch1968 Join Date: Oct 2010	Bad stuff vs. Platycore at level 1 I fought a Platycore at level 1, and lost. The card says discard your hand OR lose 2 levels. Because I can't lose 2 levels, did I have to automatically discard my hand? What if I was at level 2, would there be a choice then? Thanks!

11-07-2010, 06:06 PM	#2
MunchkinMan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Macungie, PA	Re: Bad stuff vs. Platycore at level 1 When given a choice, and only one choice is possible, you must take the choice that actually causes some Bad Stuff to happen. __________________ Erik D. Zane *Munchkin* NetRep -- munchkin@sjgames.com MiB #1029

11-07-2010, 07:29 PM	#5
Polyceph Join Date: Oct 2010	Re: Bad stuff vs. Platycore at level 1 Okay- what if someone has no cards in their hand but is level 2. Do they suffer no bad stuff as they can't lose 2 levels, or do they go to level 1?

11-07-2010, 10:41 PM	#9
Kirt Join Date: Aug 2009	Re: Bad stuff vs. Platycore at level 1 MM previously ruled on just this card that if you can't lose TWO levels, you must lose your hand. It is not enough for just SOME of the Bad Stuff to happen, it has to be the "choice" that results in ALL of the Bad Stuff. "No matter what, I've always ruled that Bad Stuff has to be Bad if it can be. Beyond that, in the FAQ, we've made it clear that an empty hand is not a hand. So, given ALL of that, if you have no hand, you have to lose 2 Levels, and if don't have 2 Levels to lose, you have to discard your hand." However, Andrew ruled more recently that just a little bad stuff is enough, as long as it is bad. "Yes, you can choose the "lose 2 levels" option and lose 1 level, because that at least hurts you a little. You can't choose "lose 2 levels" if you have no levels to lose and the other option DOES affect you." Last edited by Kirt; 11-07-2010 at 10:52 PM.