Does regeneration 'works' while I'm healthy?

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by Reikon

I know that question may sound stupid, but...

Let's say some character has switchable extreme regeneration with temporary disadvantages. Because his regeneration is extreme, he will probably become healthy every turn. And if regeneration automatically switches off (with its temporary disadvantages), he has to re-activate it every single turn (unless he was injured to negative HP).

This kind of makes sense... but it means that he will begin each his turn without any temporary disadvantages. And he can make his regeneration "reflexive: injurity" for +40%.

Geez why bother? Why not just get Regeneration with Temporary Disadvantage? It would mean that when-ever you were injured, you have the Temporary Disadvantage until you reach full health.

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Geez why bother? Why not just get Regeneration with Temporary Disadvantage? It would mean that when-ever you were injured, you have the Temporary Disadvantage until you reach full health.

Except that that's not what it would mean. Regeneration isn't automatically off when you don't need to regenerate. And if it were, that would probably make it ineligible for Temporary Disadvantages!

Of course, it also probably isn't switchable at all without some modification. Which would make it ineligible for Temporary Disadvantages.

[malloyd]

Originally Posted by Reikon

What is Aftermath? o_O

It's a temporary disadvantage that switches on for a definite period after the advantage it is on switches off (base form is half the value of the temp disad limitation gives a duration of 10 minutes or however long the advantage was on, whichever is longer). Seems like a model pretty close to what you want here that would do for inspiration. It's originally from Bio-Tech.

Personally I'd just write up the exact effect desired, eyeball the cost and offer that to the player, but if you are determined to try to build it that might be a place to start.

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Except that that's not what it would mean. Regeneration isn't automatically off when you don't need to regenerate. And if it were, that would probably make it ineligible for Temporary Disadvantages!

Why would that make ineligible for Temporary Disadvantage? Seems to me that "Sessile when injured" works just fine.

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Why would that make ineligible for Temporary Disadvantage? Seems to me that "Sessile when injured" works just fine.

Sessile when injured works just fine. It's also not a Temporary Disadvantage at all, it's Sessile (Accessibility: only when injured).

It would make it ineligible because Temporary Disadvantage specifies that the disadvantage has to take time to switch on and off. Probably for exactly the reason seen in this thread...

[Reikon]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

No. BS115:
"The point break due to Temporary Disadvantage cannot exceed 80% of the original disadvantage."

Seems like I completely missunderstood the point break rule =) Thanks a lot!

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Biotech 215. Gives you a temporary disadvantage that comes on for a time after you switch off the associated advantage.

That's certainly an interesting option. I wonder, can "aftermath" be combined with "temporary disadvantage"? Not it only better simulates "rage", but also reduces point cost.

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

Geez why bother? Why not just get Regeneration with Temporary Disadvantage? It would mean that when-ever you were injured, you have the Temporary Disadvantage until you reach full health.

I wish you were right... x_x

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

It would make it ineligible because Temporary Disadvantage specifies that the disadvantage has to take time to switch on and off. Probably for exactly the reason seen in this thread...

Thanks to you, half of this problem is already solved =)
At the same page of Bio-Tech, as "Aftermath" (215):

"Temporary Disadvantage
An advantage that is not normally switchable, but was given Costs Fatigue (p. B111), Emergencies Only (p. B112), Limited Use (p. B112), or Trigger (p. B115) can be given this limitation."

The only question is: "How much Trigger: injurity" will cost for a regeneration? Probably not -15%, as said in Powers, but I can't decide how many. +0%, may be? Just because it's strange to regenerate while there is nothing to regenerate...

[roguebfl]

Have you reread the essay on switchable in GURPS Powers?

[Reikon]

Originally Posted by roguebfl

Have you reread the essay on switchable in GURPS Powers?

Yes, but it didn't help much. Unmodified regeneration is certainly an "Always On" ability, and unless I add a temporary disadvantage, there is no actual difference. But it easy to make Regeneration NOT an "Always On" ability by adding "Trigger: injurity".

GURPS Powers, page 106: "Injury is an entirely valid Trigger."

So, if regeneration has a trigger, Bio-Tech clearly states that it can have temporary disadvantages.

GURPS Bio-Tech, page 215:
"Temporary Disadvantage
An advantage that is not normally switchable, but was given Costs Fatigue (p. B111), Emergencies Only (p. B112), Limited Use (p. B112), or Trigger (p. B115) can be given this limitation."

Now the only question left is: how much should "Trigger: injurity" cost. It's definitely not a -15% limitation as written in Powers, because regeneration is useless without injurity anyway (well, actually there are cases when it is useful, like healing FP, radiation or DR, but I'm talking about simple HP-only case).

I don't know if "Trigger: Injurity +0%" is a fair price. It seems logical, like "If you has nothing to regenerate, no regeneration process happens inside your body, and thus you suffer no penalties for toxication, pain, fewer etc. caused by that regeneration". But I'm still in doubt.

[MatthewVilter]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Of course, [Regeneration] also probably isn't switchable at all without some modification. Which would make it ineligible for Temporary Disadvantages.

The thing is Extra Arms and Altered Time Rate are not switchable and those are the examples of Temporary Disadvantage on page B115!

WHAT IS HAPPENING, MY MIND! (I may need to buy Powers)