Power Grappling and 'grappling rolls'

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by Icelander

You have a -4 penalty to grapple back, yes, but if you foe wants to retain his hold of you, his only opportunity for an active defence are a Parry using grappling skill or a Dodge. Neither of which he may add a Retreat bonus to, I note. This is a huge deal, as a normal human has a far better Retreating Dodge than he has a parry with grappling skill.

The -4 to attack is at least as good as +2 to defense. So unless the original grappler's base dodge is as high as their best unarmed parry (not just grappling parry), the counter-grapple is at least as hard as a non-counter grapple...and landing a grapple takes some time on average.