Apparently DF 12 is going to be Ninjas.

[Astromancer]

Originally Posted by Stone Dog

I don't know exactly how I feel about this.

On one hand ninjas can be pretty much overblown, but on the other hand a small team of ninja + X Lens might be fun?

I wonder how many templates will be in there? How distinct will they be from a plain ol martial artist with Thief stuff?

I suppose it will only be a week or two until we know for sure...

Well, Oriental Warriors are a DF thrope, and a couple of Asian themed booklets would fit the style.

Besides, being overblown, badass, and showing off, is part of the DF fun.

[pyratejohn]

Originally Posted by Kromm

Actually, if "pirates" became code for "the only delvers who can safely use really dodgy TL4 black-powder weapons," riffing more on the pistols than the swords, and the burning fuse in beards than on the eyepatches, it could work.

I'm suddenly remained of my old AD&D2 game back in the 1990s. My wife's character, a thief, hired an NPC guard who was basically a streltsy, complete with large arquebus and an even larger bardiche used as a musket rest. Fun times, fun times.

[Gizensha]

Originally Posted by rosignol

What is the practical difference between a jungle full of magical beasties, natural hazards, unnatural hazards, and a natives who worship a cthulhuesque entity, and a dungeon full of magical beasties, unmaintained tunnels, booby-traps, and cultists who worship a demon from another dimension?

...There's more practical difference there than a cave they were going to use to store smuggled rum/have found a treasure map leading to full of magical beasties, natural hazards, unnatural hazards and natives who worship a cthulhuesque entity...

Which, if anything, backs up your point

[Stone Dog]

Originally Posted by Kromm

Actually, if "pirates" became code for "the only delvers who can safely use really dodgy TL4 black-powder weapons," riffing more on the pistols than the swords, and the burning fuse in beards than on the eyepatches, it could work.

I don't know why, but this gives me the image of a pirate as a swashbuckler/bard without much in the way of spells, but with Terror and Rapier Wit.

[rosignol]

Originally Posted by Kromm

Actually, if "pirates" became code for "the only delvers who can safely use really dodgy TL4 black-powder weapons," riffing more on the pistols than the swords, and the burning fuse in beards than on the eyepatches, it could work.

Maybe. You'd need to find a way around the veeeeery slow reload times of TL4 firearms, tho. Otherwise, the firearms become crossbows with sound effects that get dropped after the opening volley, and then it's blade-to-blade.

Maybe an 'aquatic' lens for the existing templates would be the way to go after all...

[b-dog]

As far as I'm concerned the DF series should hammer away at "kewl" things like ninjas and pirates. I think a book about the high seas would be really good for a DF campaign because pirate stories have treasure maps, loot and other pirates following the party to get the treasure too. Treasure Island is a good book for adventure ideas and the movie the Goonies has many ideas for tricks and traps for adventures. A sailing adventure is often fun as there are many hazards along the way and then you can go to an island with strange creatures as you look for treasure. Sinbad has many ideas too. So for me, I would really like a book about High Seas DF.

Other cool topics are Elder Things, vampires, werewolves, ghosts, dark temples and drow er... I mean shadow elves.

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by Kromm

Actually, if "pirates" became code for "the only delvers who can safely use really dodgy TL4 black-powder weapons," riffing more on the pistols than the swords, and the burning fuse in beards than on the eyepatches, it could work.

Dunno... I would rather not see them forced to fit into the dungeon pastiche, but brought in as an appropriate player "class" for a hypothetical sea-based supplement.

[rosignol]

Originally Posted by b-dog

As far as I'm concerned the DF series should hammer away at "kewl" things like ninjas and pirates. I think a book about the high seas would be really good for a DF campaign because pirate stories have treasure maps, loot and other pirates following the party to get the treasure too. Treasure Island is a good book for adventure ideas and the movie the Goonies has many ideas for tricks and traps for adventures. A sailing adventure is often fun as there are many hazards along the way and then you can go to an island with strange creatures as you look for treasure. Sinbad has many ideas too. So for me, I would really like a book about High Seas DF.

Yeah, the more I think about it, 'aquatic' lenses for the existing templates (barbarian+aquatic lens=Viking!) and a supplement about seaborne adventuring in general (ships, monsters, aquatic dungeons, relevant skills, etc) instead of focusing just on the guys singing 'yo-ho-ho' seems like the way to go. Because really, all pirates are is adventurers* who manage to annoy the powers-that-be and (usually) know how to swim...

*okay, they're basically seafaring bandits. But they're seafaring bandits with *style*

[pyratejohn]

Originally Posted by Not another shrubbery

Dunno... I would rather not see them forced to fit into the dungeon pastiche, but brought in as an appropriate player "class" for a hypothetical sea-based supplement.

I'd rather see them get a book of their own, separate from the DF series.

[Gizensha]

Originally Posted by rosignol

Maybe. You'd need to find a way around the veeeeery slow reload times of TL4 firearms, tho.

In DF, that's easy, surely?

Magically enhanced firearms.