Apparently DF 12 is going to be Ninjas.

[Peter V. Dell'Orto]

Originally Posted by rosignol

They're afraid of coming out on the wrong end of the Law of Conservation of Ninjosity*.


*No matter how many ninjas are on the field, the sum of their abilities will remain constant. If there are two dozen ninja, they might as well be mooks, if there's only one, that ninja will be death incarnate.

That applies to anything and everything. Alien? Took 90 minutes to fight off one of them. Aliens? Died in batches nonstop for like 2 freaking hours.

If the GM throws 10 of something at you, that means one isn't tough. If one isn't tough, generally, and the GM throws one at you, you're in trouble.

[Peter V. Dell'Orto]

Originally Posted by zorg

Sadly, I doubt that an extended monologue will make DF:Pirates happen. Which is why I restrain myself in this commendable way.

Quite commendable.

Although more seriously, I personally think "pirates" and my brain leaps to "Swashbuckler, Thief, and the two combinations thereof." So, it's more like, what would Pirates be able to do, and what niche would they fill, and why would they be awesome, when you already have them? I can't think of anything that answers that . . . right now. Perhaps someone else can, which is why there are writer's guidelines and submission guidelines posted up somewhere. ;)

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

Quite commendable.

Although more seriously, I personally think "pirates" and my brain leaps to "Swashbuckler, Thief, and the two combinations thereof." So, it's more like, what would Pirates be able to do, and what niche would they fill, and why would they be awesome, when you already have them? I can't think of anything that answers that . . . right now. Perhaps someone else can, which is why there are writer's guidelines and submission guidelines posted up somewhere. ;)

What i would rather see is DF: High Seas that Covers how/what lens are needed for the base 'classes' so that it covers Pirates, Privateers, and Navy. how to run Ship vs Ship, Ship vs Monster (plus stat for some key Sea monsters: Dire Giant Squids, Kraken, Sea Serpents, Sirens etc) and Ship vs Shore.

[Bruno]

Originally Posted by roguebfl

What i would rather see is DF: High Seas the Coves how what lens is need for the base 'classes' so tha *** cover Pirates, Privateers, and Navy. how to run Ship vs Ship, Ship vs Monster (plus stat for some key Sea monsters: Dire Giant Squids, Kraken, Sea Surpents, Sirens etc) Ship vs Shore.

Oh oh! Turning Barbarians into Vikings!

[Kromm]

Originally Posted by Peter Knutsen

The DF series does have a history of introducing new "classes" that step heavily on the toes of previous "classes")

Well, your analysis of the sage is interesting but flawed. Go back to AD&D and you'll see that the sage is essentially an NPC "class" of its own that can cast spells intended for just about any spellcasting class, yet it isn't in itself part of any of those classes. Or check out just about any "wise man" NPC in town in a computer game, who can somehow identify and recharge just about every sort of artifact of power – be it holy, wizardly, or something else – and yet who lacks the power to go out in the world and use magic to do anything about the Big Problem the PCs face. These are the archetypes for the sage. The entire point is that he's a soft-target know-it-all who dabbles in spells but isn't a true caster. Wizards are self-appointed "sages," but that's a conceit. In old-school fantasy, they don't study books and seek wisdom – they're artillery. Again, that's what DF is going for in its pastiche of the old-school FRPG "genre."

As for the ninja . . . He won't usurp the martial artist or thief at all. He distinctly lacks the martial artist's powerful chi abilities and the thief's comfort with urban skullduggery and macro-scale dungeon traps. His superhuman powers are focused almost entirely on gadgetry, while his stealth abilities are more in the "stalking victims" category. If there's any niche he treads close to, it's that of the artificer. However, he isn't a gadget-maker but a gadget-user.

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Bruno

Oh oh! Turning Barbarians into Vikings!

most definitely 8)

[Gizensha]

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

That applies to anything and everything. Alien? Took 90 minutes to fight off one of them. Aliens? Died in batches nonstop for like 2 freaking hours.

To be fair to them, Alien was a group of civilians who had no idea what they were dealing with and who's heaviest weapon was a blow torch designed for welding, iirc, while Aliens was a fully prepared military commando unit.

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

Quite commendable.

Although more seriously, I personally think "pirates" and my brain leaps to "Swashbuckler, Thief, and the two combinations thereof." So, it's more like, what would Pirates be able to do, and what niche would they fill, and why would they be awesome, when you already have them? I can't think of anything that answers that . . . right now. Perhaps someone else can, which is why there are writer's guidelines and submission guidelines posted up somewhere. ;)

Every time I even consider possible pirate niches I wind up going "Like DF GMs need an excuse to channel Legend of Zelda Water Dungeon design."

[Anaximander]

Forgive my ignorance, but what is DF 12?

[lexington]

Originally Posted by Anaximander

Forgive my ignorance, but what is DF 12?

Dungeon Fantasy, a series of genre books for Dungeon-Punk and old school fantasy games.

[newtkeeper]

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

Quite commendable.

Although more seriously, I personally think "pirates" and my brain leaps to "Swashbuckler, Thief, and the two combinations thereof." So, it's more like, what would Pirates be able to do, and what niche would they fill, and why would they be awesome, when you already have them? I can't think of anything that answers that . . . right now. Perhaps someone else can, which is why there are writer's guidelines and submission guidelines posted up somewhere. ;)

Couldn't the same thing be said about ninjas? You have your thieves, you have your martial artists...