HMOH and definition of "win"

Kirt · 07-20-2010, 02:52 AM

So last night the guy opposite me has both pollymorph potion and transferal potion out in front of him. No one is interfering with his combats, because why throw down enhancers if he has two automatic outs showing? But I know I have to get rid of at least one of those if I am going to beat him.

Then I draw Help Me Out Here. I look for trouble on a monster, play two different +10's on it so that I can't beat it, and then play Help Me Out Here to take his Pollymorph Potion. (eliminating the pollymorph potion is mission accomplished; the seven treasures I would get is not bad, either).

The discussion begins; can I take pollymorph potion with HMOH?
Does that fit HMOH's requirement of making the difference between winning and losing?

In this thread from April, Andrew clearly said no, "[HMOH] cannot take a card that doesn't cause you to lead the monsters in combat strength (i.e., no Magic Lamp or Pollymorph Potion). It CAN take a card that would give you an instant win (for instance, the Churninator from Cthulhu)."

He further says, "This will be elaborated upon in the upcoming FAQ revision"

So I checked the new FAQ...and I'm actually confused as to whether it confirms this ruling or not. I had expected there to be an explicit definition of "win"; but AFAICT there is not.

There is "Important Note #3: "Defeated" versus "Killed" versus "Lost""
in which it is explained that "defeating" means you don't have to run away, "losing" means you do. "Killed" means you get treasure AND levels. "Defeating" includes both killing and removing monsters from the combat.

So...what is winning? Is winning the same as defeating (i.e., not losing), or is winning only killing?

In the section on Combat, there is the question:
Q. When you are faced with two or more monsters, can you kill one and flee the other?

And part of the answer states:
"(You will have to win that fight before you can claim any treasure at all...")

This seems to imply that winning is the same as defeating, not killing. As I understand it, I could pollymorph one monster, and charm the other one, and still claim the treasure by defeating both monsters, even if I didn't kill any of them.

So...what is the definition of winning a combat under the new rules?

And does it now allow for HMOH to take a pollymorph potion?

07-20-2010, 02:52 AM	#1
Kirt Join Date: Aug 2009	HMOH and definition of "win" So last night the guy opposite me has both pollymorph potion and transferal potion out in front of him. No one is interfering with his combats, because why throw down enhancers if he has two automatic outs showing? But I know I have to get rid of at least one of those if I am going to beat him. Then I draw Help Me Out Here. I look for trouble on a monster, play two different +10's on it so that I can't beat it, and then play Help Me Out Here to take his Pollymorph Potion. (eliminating the pollymorph potion is mission accomplished; the seven treasures I would get is not bad, either). The discussion begins; can I take pollymorph potion with HMOH? Does that fit HMOH's requirement of making the difference between winning and losing? In this thread from April, Andrew clearly said no, "[HMOH] cannot take a card that doesn't cause you to lead the monsters in combat strength (i.e., no Magic Lamp or Pollymorph Potion). It CAN take a card that would give you an instant win (for instance, the Churninator from Cthulhu)." He further says, "This will be elaborated upon in the upcoming FAQ revision" So I checked the new FAQ...and I'm actually confused as to whether it confirms this ruling or not. I had expected there to be an explicit definition of "win"; but AFAICT there is not. There is "Important Note #3: "Defeated" versus "Killed" versus "Lost"" in which it is explained that "defeating" means you don't have to run away, "losing" means you do. "Killed" means you get treasure AND levels. "Defeating" includes both killing and removing monsters from the combat. So...what is winning? Is winning the same as defeating (i.e., not losing), or is winning only killing? In the section on Combat, there is the question: Q. When you are faced with two or more monsters, can you kill one and flee the other? And part of the answer states: "(You will have to win that fight before you can claim any treasure at all...") This seems to imply that winning is the same as defeating, not killing. As I understand it, I could pollymorph one monster, and charm the other one, and still claim the treasure by defeating both monsters, even if I didn't kill any of them. So...what is the definition of winning a combat under the new rules? And does it now allow for HMOH to take a pollymorph potion?