Narrow Minded

[Mystic]

Hi

I recently bought Munchkin dice and i don't really understand the card Narrow Minded.

For the part + 10 on a Half-Breed is okay but for the rest i'm not sure.
The card say " Any penalty it has against any component race of the character is reversed and becomes a bonus "

What is a component race ? Do that mean that a monster + 5 against elve become - 5 against elve ??

[MunchkinMan]

Okay, you're a Half-Breed Dwarf/Elf and you are facing Santa, who has a -5 penalty against Elves. Someone plays Narrow Minded on him. Because you are a Half-Breed he gets a +10 bonus and because Elf is a component race of your Half-Breed nature, his -5 penalty against Elves now becomes a +5 bonus. This means that Narrow-Minded Santa (a Level 9 Monster) is an effective 24 against you. Of course, you drop the Half-Breed and the Dwarf and suddenly you're looking at a wimpy Narrow-Minded Santa with an effective 4. . .

[Mystic]

Ok thanx, that gonna hurt ; )

[Vincentheartthrob]

Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

Okay, you're a Half-Breed Dwarf/Elf and you are facing Santa, who has a -5 penalty against Elves. Someone plays Narrow Minded on him. Because you are a Half-Breed he gets a +10 bonus and because Elf is a component race of your Half-Breed nature, his -5 penalty against Elves now becomes a +5 bonus. This means that Narrow-Minded Santa (a Level 9 Monster) is an effective 24 against you. Of course, you drop the Half-Breed and the Dwarf and suddenly you're looking at a wimpy Narrow-Minded Santa with an effective 4. . .

In this example what happens if you just drop the Dwarf race? I know Santa would still have +10 from Narrow-Minded, but since none of the disadvantages of being an Elf occur, because you are a half-elf, does the reversed penalty not count against you making Santa a 19? Or does Narrow-Minded overrule that benefit since it was originally a penalty to the monster and Santa remains a 24?

[Clipper]

Ignoring the bonus sounds more plausible, in that case. I would find it very hard to argue that the new bonus of the monster is not a disadvantage of being an Elf.

[Uncle Mick]

Originally Posted by Vincentheartthrob

In this example what happens if you just drop the Dwarf race? I know Santa would still have +10 from Narrow-Minded, but since none of the disadvantages of being an Elf occur, because you are a half-elf, does the reversed penalty not count against you making Santa a 19? Or does Narrow-Minded overrule that benefit since it was originally a penalty to the monster and Santa remains a 24?

Please forgive my presumption but it seems to me that 'Narrow Minded' is a card that affects those who have a race multiplier card in play and which then looks to see if any race benefit can be turned against you. If this logic holds then a Half-Breed Elf would face a Santa with a combat strength of 19 instead of 24 should the player that Munchkinman described decide to discard the Dwarf race card.

By the way, may I assume that comments posted by others than Messrs. Hackard and Zane can be regarded as proper interpretation if they are not corrected by these gentlemen within the time limit of, for example, a few weeks or a month? I value the information provided by this forum but rest a bit uneasy at times if theirs is not the final say in a thread.

[Clipper]

Originally Posted by Uncle Mick

Please forgive my presumption but it seems to me that 'Narrow Minded' is a card that affects those who have a race multiplier card in play and which then looks to see if any race benefit can be turned against you. If this logic holds then a Half-Breed Elf would face a Santa with a combat strength of 19 instead of 24 should the player that Munchkinman described decide to discard the Dwarf race card.

You make a good point. If you interpret Narrow-Minded Santa's bonus as being a +5 against players with an Elf component Race, as opposed to being +5 against Elves in general, then it is technically no longer a disadvantage of being an Elf.

It also does seem more in line with the intent of the card. This way (bonus of 24) does make more sense to me now.

By the way, may I assume that comments posted by others than Messrs. Hackard and Zane can be regarded as proper interpretation if they are not corrected by these gentlemen within the time limit of, for example, a few weeks or a month? I value the information provided by this forum but rest a bit uneasy at times if theirs is not the final say in a thread.

No you can't, unfortunately. I've made that assumption a few times and it usually doesn't turn out well. We do try to interpret the existing rulings as best we can to apply to these difficult situations and I think when we do reach a consensus, we generally have it right, just not always.

[MunchkinMan]

Originally Posted by Uncle Mick

Please forgive my presumption but it seems to me that 'Narrow Minded' is a card that affects those who have a race multiplier card in play and which then looks to see if any race benefit can be turned against you. If this logic holds then a Half-Breed Elf would face a Santa with a combat strength of 19 instead of 24 should the player that Munchkinman described decide to discard the Dwarf race card.

Yes, since the Half-Elf faces no Elf disadvantages, Narrow-Minded Santa's combat strength would be 19.

By the way, may I assume that comments posted by others than Messrs. Hackard and Zane can be regarded as proper interpretation if they are not corrected by these gentlemen within the time limit of, for example, a few weeks or a month? I value the information provided by this forum but rest a bit uneasy at times if theirs is not the final say in a thread.

Sadly, our schedules are not what they once were, and due to a host of issues outside of our control (e.g., sometimes my browser thinks I've seen posts/threads I haven't, sometimes I write a response and it never gets posted for reasons unknown), it's never safe to assume that we've seen something in order to ignore it and approve it via silence.

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

Sadly, our schedules are not what they once were, and due to a host of issues outside of our control (e.g., sometimes my browser thinks I've seen posts/threads I haven't, sometimes I write a response and it never gets posted for reasons unknown), it's never safe to assume that we've seen something in order to ignore it and approve it via silence.

This is true. For my part, I'm just not going to have a lot of time to deal with complex rule queries for the rest of the year; I'm house-hunting, doing holiday stuff, and writing hundreds of cards for some of next year's releases. I know Lenny is spending quite a lot of time out of town this holiday season, and I wouldn't be surprised to hear that Erik is similarly busy.

Answering rule questions on the forums, while fun, takes a back seat to ALL of the above. But I think I may have a solution -- watch the sticky threads on this forum.

[PK]

I still don't see why this is a Treasure card instead of a Door card. It's the only monster enhancer to be such, and it's such a restricted, specific card that it's actually less useful than the other enhancers in the game.

I have two sets of Munchkin Dice (because hey, Munchkin Dice) and I happily put all of the cards into the deck so we have several Darks, Highs, etc., but I've pulled the Narrow-Minded cards out. Everyone (including myself) sighed when they drew them for treasure. I thought about peeling the face off and gluing them to a Door back instead, but decided to just toss 'em into the underwear drawer with the Kneepads instead.