The Kevinator vs. 2 munchkins

chrismalenurse · 08-18-2012, 05:56 AM

If I am Fighting Kevinator(the Guild) who gets +5 against anyone, and some one else helps me he doesn't get an additional +5? We were playing that basically he would be 30 combat strength if 2 munchkins were in he fight.

MunchkinMan · 08-18-2012, 07:33 AM

I'll leave this one to Andrew, since he's had a lot to do with the design process on this one.

Clipper · 08-18-2012, 07:44 AM

While I also will accept Andrew's ruling if this card is somehow meant to be treated differently to other cards, shouldn't this be the same as one creature being powered up against Elves only getting one bonus no matter how many Elves are present?

MunchkinMan · 08-18-2012, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Clipper

While I also will accept Andrew's ruling if this card is somehow meant to be treated differently to other cards, shouldn't this be the same as one creature being powered up against Elves only getting one bonus no matter how many Elves are present?

There's two ways to look at it:

Since the bonus has already been applied, it doesn't get re-applied.
Since it's a bonus against everyone, it's a bonus against Elves, and it's a bonus against Clerics, and so on. So, unless the two players are identical, then the bonus would have to get added again.

Now, I'm leaning towards 1., but it's early, I haven't had my coffee, and, well, I don't have the design insight on this, and this was internal playtest only, so I never saw the card or had discussions about it before the set was released, so I have no desire to commit to something I don't have all the facts on.

Enzzo · 08-18-2012, 05:38 PM

Option 1 makes the most sense to me. If it were meant to be "+5 vs clerics, +5 vs elves, +5 vs gnomes, etc etc" then you'd have to give him +5 for every race and class you have. And that just doesn't seem right. If the design intent was for Kevin to get more powerful when you add more people to fight him, then a better wording for the card would have been "Kevinator receives +5 for each player he is in combat with".

But yeah, Andrew will have the final say, of course.

Andrew Hackard · 08-18-2012, 10:06 PM

It's a flat +5. Doesn't stack for multiple players.

08-18-2012, 05:56 AM	#1
chrismalenurse Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Akron, Ohio area	The Kevinator vs. 2 munchkins If I am Fighting Kevinator(the Guild) who gets +5 against anyone, and some one else helps me he doesn't get an additional +5? We were playing that basically he would be 30 combat strength if 2 munchkins were in he fight.

08-18-2012, 07:33 AM	#2
MunchkinMan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Macungie, PA	Re: The Kevinator vs. 2 munchkins I'll leave this one to Andrew, since he's had a lot to do with the design process on this one. __________________ Erik D. Zane *Munchkin* NetRep -- munchkin@sjgames.com MiB #1029

08-18-2012, 07:44 AM	#3
Clipper Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Sydney, Australia	Re: The Kevinator vs. 2 munchkins While I also will accept Andrew's ruling if this card is somehow meant to be treated differently to other cards, shouldn't this be the same as one creature being powered up against Elves only getting one bonus no matter how many Elves are present? __________________ My unofficial, but comprehensive Flowcharts: Munchkin: A4 Letter; Munchkin Quest: A4 Letter Rules Checklist for all Munchkin sets: A4 Letter.

08-18-2012, 05:38 PM	#5
Enzzo Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, UT	Re: The Kevinator vs. 2 munchkins Option 1 makes the most sense to me. If it were meant to be "+5 vs clerics, +5 vs elves, +5 vs gnomes, etc etc" then you'd have to give him +5 for every race and class you have. And that just doesn't seem right. If the design intent was for Kevin to get more powerful when you add more people to fight him, then a better wording for the card would have been "Kevinator receives +5 for each player he is in combat with". But yeah, Andrew will have the final say, of course.

08-18-2012, 10:06 PM	#6
Andrew Hackard *Munchkin* Line Editor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Austin, TX	Re: The Kevinator vs. 2 munchkins It's a flat +5. Doesn't stack for multiple players. __________________ Andrew Hackard, *Munchkin* Line Editor If you have a question that isn't getting answered, we have a thread for that. Let people like what they like. Don't be a gamer hater. #PlayMunchkin on social media: Twitter \|\| Facebook \|\| Instagram \|\| YouTube Follow us on Kickstarter: Steve Jackson Games and Warehouse 23