Cult Membership Card

[d-vils_wingman]

I'm playing Munchkin Cthulhu and I have a Cult Membership Card, which is not usable by Cultists and which lets me choose to be treated as a cultist whenever I wish, and a permanent +3 bonus from Raving, which is discarded if at anytime the Cultist class is lost or the character dies. Is the permanent +3 bonus lost if I have to fight a monster which has a bonus against cultists and I choose to not be a cultist for the fight to avoid giving the monster that bonus and the Raving card must then be sent to the discards, effectively removing the permanent +3 bonus?

[MunchkinMan]

I'm leaning towards, "Yes, you'd lose the bonus and have to discard it," but I can't tell if I'm being logical or grumpy.

In all honesty, I need to work this one out post caffeine to see if that improves my outlook. :-)

[snarky]

Originally Posted by d-vils_wingman

I'm playing Munchkin Cthulhu and I have a Cult Membership Card, which is not usable by Cultists and which lets me choose to be treated as a cultist whenever I wish, and a permanent +3 bonus from Raving, which is discarded if at anytime the Cultist class is lost or the character dies. Is the permanent +3 bonus lost if I have to fight a monster which has a bonus against cultists and I choose to not be a cultist for the fight to avoid giving the monster that bonus and the Raving card must then be sent to the discards, effectively removing the permanent +3 bonus?

Confused a bit here, would need to review the exact wording on the Cult Membership card - does it allow you to use Raving at all?

If it does, I think in our game we'd treat the Card as a Cultist class as long as you want to be a Cultist. Choosing not to be treated as a Cultist anymore would be equivalent to losing your class, so you'd lose Raving as well.

[MunchkinMan]

Originally Posted by snarky

Confused a bit here, would need to review the exact wording on the Cult Membership card - does it allow you to use Raving at all?

Since SJ himself said that he wanted the card to allow you to be treated as a Cultist for whatever you want to be considered a Cultist, that, quite honestly, means you could say you want to be a Cultist for Raving, but not one by the Monster. You could also be a Cultist for the bonus, but not for the victory conditions, denying the highest Level Cultist victory, assuming everyone else was a Cultist. Very, very powerful card, given that. . .

[snarky]

Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

Since SJ himself said that he wanted the card to allow you to be treated as a Cultist for whatever you want to be considered a Cultist, that, quite honestly, means you could say you want to be a Cultist for Raving, but not one by the Monster. You could also be a Cultist for the bonus, but not for the victory conditions, denying the highest Level Cultist victory, assuming everyone else was a Cultist. Very, very powerful card, given that. . .

Wow! I'd never considered the card was actually THAT powerful. Completely changes my strategy if that card finds its way into my hand this week...

[Andrew Hackard]

It is an extremely powerful card, indeed. However, there's an easy way to neutralize it: force the wielder to *actually* become a Cultist, rendering the CMC powerless.

[fritzling]

I have recently acquired a Promo Cult Membership Card and brought it into use in tonights game.

The question asked today was whether or not Promo CMC is to be treated like the Cult Membership Card described above until the it is used as a GUAL bonus or if its use is limited strictly to the written bonus that the player gets as stated on the card of GUAL by having a passerby play their hand.

We elected to use it like a Bookmark GUAL and not as a CMC. Still, we're curious if the Promo CMC was intended to be used as a CMC until given away to the helpful passerby for the GUAL.

[thedag]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

It is an extremely powerful card, indeed. However, there's an easy way to neutralize it: force the wielder to *actually* become a Cultist, rendering the CMC powerless.

true but in all my times of playing cthuluwe have only seen sudden head blows twice and people much prefered to get rid of their madness instead which seem to be more common.

[kotya]

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

However, there's an easy way to neutralize it: force the wielder to *actually* become a Cultist, rendering the CMC powerless.

but the wielder can say in any case that he is already a cultist and don't become it, can't he? so others may only force him do discard this item or loot his dead body.

upd: i have found that a sudden head blow card text says that if it is played on a cultist, he have to discard his Cultist card (and if he's not a cultist, he becomes a cult member). so if i play the sudden head blow to a player with no Cultist card but with CMC, what he should do?
a) discard his CMC card
b) become a Cultist as he has no Cultist card to discard
c) or can he say "i'm a cultist already" but don't discard CMC because it is not a Cultist card?