TbaM, WeaponMaster cost breakdown

[Nymdok]

For a Wuxia type game Im thinking of starting, Id like to be able to break down the Trained By a Master and Weaponmaster into some relative point costs.

For example Id like to know how much TbaM is worth if you can NOT

1/2 Rapid strike Penalties
1/2 Multiple Parry Penalties
Have Access to Cinematic Skills Abilities

In my head it seems like

12 pts - 1/2 RS Penalty (40%)
12 pts - 1/2 Parry Penalty(40%)
6 pts - Unusual Background that grants access to other abilities (20%)

but Im having some difficulty balancing this breakdown with Weapon Master.

Thanks,
Nymdok

[Desthro]

If its broken down into parts, it should cost a little more, +3 when using rapid strike is kinda like +3 to all weapon skills, but not as often since you won't rapid strike constantly, I would put it at 20 points, just because that is an amazing benefit combat-wise.

Half the parry penalty is nice, but this really only comes into effect when fighting more than one opponent, I would put this at the price of an enhanced parry, 10 pts.

And access to skills, call it 5 points.

[lexington]

I thought acting as a prerequisite was generally not worth any points.

[Ze'Manel Cunha]

Originally Posted by lexington

I thought acting as a prerequisite was generally not worth any points.

It's basically a Perk, worth 1 point.

[DukeofDellot]

Or an unusual background costing whatever the GM decides.

[Nymdok]

Originally Posted by Ze'Manel Cunha

It's basically a Perk, worth 1 point.

I should have phrased that as 6 points Unusual Background that grants access to Supernatural Abilities.

Ill edit it to eliminate the confusion.

Nymdok

[PK]

Originally Posted by Nymdok

For example Id like to know how much TbaM is worth if you can NOT

1/2 Rapid strike Penalties

Using the Accessibility guidelines in Powers, you're removing about 1/2 the utility, so I'd say -20%.

1/2 Multiple Parry Penalties

Again, that's the other half, so -20%.

Have Access to Cinematic Skills Abilities

-0%. "This advantage acts as a prerequisite" never adds to the point cost. That's what Unusual Backgrounds are for, and neither TBAM nor WM is at all related to UB.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Rev. Pee Kitty

Using the Accessibility guidelines in Powers, you're removing about 1/2 the utility, so I'd say -20%.
Again, that's the other half, so -20%.

Shouldn't the Damage Bonus count for something?

[Edges]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Shouldn't the Damage Bonus count for something?

TbaM doesn't give a damage bonus.

Although when breaking down the values of WM (which neither Nymdok nor RPK were yet doing), the damage bonus would be significant.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Edges

TbaM doesn't give a damage bonus.

For some reason I thought that was about Weapon Master.