Comabt questions...

[ladyarcana55]

Here I go again! You guys knew it was coming eventually, LOL

I tried to put a tag but I couldn't figure out what tag this would go under, Tips or Resources didn't feel right...

Anyway...

I am totally confused on combat. Specifically vessel to vessel combat. Using the common Songs, is it possible to force a Celestial out of their vessel? Also, at what point in combat does the Celestial start taking damage? Reading through the rules it sounds like while they are in the vessel no Celestial damage will be take. But what if the vessel has been 'killed'? It sounds to me as though the Celestial can stay in the vessel even if it were hacked to pieces and they would still be safe from any Celestial damage.

Could someone explain this to me? I am totally lost. Thanks!

Darn it...I just realized I misspelled the title of this thread, how embarrassing...

[Dalillama]

Originally Posted by ladyarcana55

I am totally confused on combat. Specifically vessel to vessel combat. Using the common Songs, is it possible to force a Celestial out of their vessel? Also, at what point in combat does the Celestial start taking damage? Reading through the rules it sounds like while they are in the vessel no Celestial damage will be take. But what if the vessel has been 'killed'? It sounds to me as though the Celestial can stay in the vessel even if it were hacked to pieces and they would still be safe from any Celestial damage.

Could someone explain this to me? I am totally lost. Thanks!

The only Song that will force a Celestial out of their Vessel is the Corporeal Song of Banishing, which is secret and known only to a few Superiors and their trusted servitors. The sorcerous Ritual of Exorcism can also force a demon or Ethereal out of a Vessel, but not an angel. No amount of damage to a Vessel will ever cause Celestial damage, nor can anyone do Celestial damage to someone in a Vessel (Exception: Calabim with the Calabite of Lust attunement). If a Vessel is killed, the inhabitant goes into Trauma, if they have a Heart, Limbo if they don't (Exception: Malakim, who just snap back to their hearts, but suffer no Trauma.)

[Rocket Man]

Originally Posted by DAlillama

The only Song that will force a Celestial out of their Vessel is the Corporeal Song of Banishing...

How about manipulating them out of their Vessel? The Celestial Song of Charm can reduce a subject's Will IIRC, which in theory could make it easier to "persuade" someone to take celestial form.

[Dalillama]

Originally Posted by Rocket Man

How about manipulating them out of their Vessel? The Celestial Song of Charm can reduce a subject's Will IIRC, which in theory could make it easier to "persuade" someone to take celestial form.

This is a good point. You could also make it unpleasant to be in a Vessel, by breaking their limbs, say, so the only way to move is to go Celestial (Or use certain Songs, but hey).

[ladyarcana55]

How about the Celestial Song of Shattering? It says that it will cause the Celestial to "bleed" out Essence. Does this apply if they are in their vessel? How about the Celestial Song of Light? Does that effect the Celestial if it's in their vessel?

[Dalillama]

You are correct, Celestial Shattering can also potentially do Soul hits to a Celestial in a Vessel. Celestial Light does Body damage to Corporeal targets, including Vessels; It only does Soul damage if the target is in Celestial Form.