Ghoulfiends and Insurance Salesman

[squallsquall]

I've checked the rules, errata and FAQ (and in most cases tried searching the board). If I still missed that there in fact is a solution already avaliable, I apologize in advance.

Anyway, onto the questions:

6. Does one-shot items played from your hand to gain bonus help you out vs Ghoulfiends or Insurance Salesman, respectively?

Thanks a lot for helping me out!

[bast_imret]

Originally Posted by squallsquall

6. Does one-shot items played from your hand to gain bonus help you out vs Ghoulfiends or Insurance Salesman, respectively?

Ghoulfiends, no. You cannot use your bonuses, only your level counts. Ins. Salesman, yes. You cannot use your level to fight him, so only bonuses count.

However! Note that if you are fighting both at the same time, those effects stack
, and completely negate your ability to attack at all, since you can't use bonuses or levels.

[Andrew Hackard]

Originally Posted by squallsquall

6. Does one-shot items played from your hand to gain bonus help you out vs Ghoulfiends or Insurance Salesman, respectively?

Ghoulfiends: No Items help against them, period.

Insurance Salesman: Yes, you can play one-shot Items for their bonuses.

[Enzzo]

If you're fighting both in the same combat, you're reduced to a Combat Strength of 0 and are basically screwed, since neither your level nor any other bonuses can help you.

[Finalsora811]

Originally Posted by Enzzo

If you're fighting both in the same combat, you're reduced to a Combat Strength of 0 and are basically screwed, since neither your level nor any other bonuses can help you.

What about other people?

[Pleh]

Originally Posted by Finalsora811

What about other people?

Any "help" you receive also must fight by the same conditions and rules as you. If a monster you're fighting has a bonus against Elves and you are not an Elf, but an Elf helps you, the Monster's combat strength increases when the Elf joins the combat.

Likewise, if someone were to help you against both the Ghoulfiends and the Insurance Salesman, your Helper would ALSO have to fight with no level and no bonuses just as you do. What this comes out to mean is that they would be forced to run away with you.

So don't EVER inflict this horror on someone wearing the Kneepads of Allure, or else they might force you to "help" them after you make winning impossible.

[Enzzo]

Originally Posted by Pleh

If a monster you're fighting has a bonus against Elves and you are not an Elf, but an Elf helps you, the Monster's combat strength increases when the Elf joins the combat.

It's also worth noting that such a monster's bonus is NOT cumulative for each Elf in the combat. "+5 vs Elves" is only applied once, regardless of the number of Elves fighting it.

However, if two monsters in the combat both have "+X vs Elves" and they are facing an Elf, each monsters would get its own bonus.

[Brf]

Originally Posted by Pleh

What this comes out to mean is that they would be forced to run away with you.

As MM suggested, there are ways to win this fight.

[Flemroid]

Originally Posted by Enzzo

If you're fighting both in the same combat, you're reduced to a Combat Strength of 0 and are basically screwed, since neither your level nor any other bonuses can help you.

You can always use monster dehancers correct? They aren't items and do lower the monsters strength.

[DoomedDuck]

You would be able to use monster dehancers, but you'd need a lot of them as the 2 monsters are level 22 together. Having a helper will not help, as they cannot use their level or bonuses either.