Feint and All-out attack questions

Henquist · 12-11-2008, 11:36 PM

Is it possible to do an all-out attack (determined) and feint at +4?

How about if you AoA (determined) and use a combination that includes a feint, would the +4 bonus apply to that feint?

vicky_molokh · 12-12-2008, 12:51 AM

Why shouldn't it?

Henquist · 12-12-2008, 05:49 AM

I always assumed it was a given as well. I was being challenged on using AoA (determined) with a feint so I went through the rules for a specific example of a feint being used this way and came up with nothing.

Nothing under AoA or under feints directly says that this can be done. Without a direct reference specifically say "yes this can be done" I cant seem to convince my challenger.

Can anyone help me find a reference?

Graham · 12-12-2008, 05:58 AM

It strikes me as a very risky maneuver since it leaves you wide open to an attack from your opponent.

On a strict reading of the rules I'd say that your challenger could argue that under AoA (Determined) it states "Make a single attack..." and under Feint it states "This maneuver is not an attack...".

I could mentally justify this by assuming that the determined part of the AoA meant that you were overcommitting to the attack in order to be sure of hitting, which doesn't seem compatible with the idea of a feint, which needs to be contained enough to disguise the real attack that follows.

Graham

Dinadon · 12-12-2008, 06:11 AM

MA covers switching attacks for feints when it talks about multiple attacks, and it says that modifiers, such as determined, also apply to feints.

Graham · 12-12-2008, 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dinadon

MA covers switching attacks for feints when it talks about multiple attacks, and it says that modifiers, such as determined, also apply to feints.

Ah, yes. On MA p. 97 it explicitly says "Other alternatives include using All Out Attack (Determined) to feint at +4".

Graham

Henquist · 12-12-2008, 10:15 AM

Thanks guys exactly what I needed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham

It strikes me as a very risky maneuver since it leaves you wide open to an attack from your opponent.

Im playing in a combat arena where skills are capped so eventually nobody will really have a skill advanatge over the other. Feints will be all about luck of the roll.

I though about using a grappler who does nothing but AoA. Once you get you hands on your opponant you might never need a defense anyways. Using defensive feints as part of an AoA or combo gives you a huge feint advantage and stacks even more modifiers for your opponant to just plain miss.

mlangsdorf · 12-13-2008, 11:38 AM

I'd expect that you'll lose, as Defensive Telegraphed Attacks will get through your guard faster than your AoA will get through Mr. Defensive's guard. Heck, you can succeed in a Grapple attempt and Mr. Defensive can still make a Telegraphed attack, canceling out the penalty for your grapple!

All Out Attack against competent, active opponents is a mug's game in GURPS.

12-11-2008, 11:36 PM	#1
Henquist Join Date: Jan 2005	Feint and All-out attack questions Is it possible to do an all-out attack (determined) and feint at +4? How about if you AoA (determined) and use a combination that includes a feint, would the +4 bonus apply to that feint?

12-12-2008, 12:51 AM	#2
vicky_molokh GURPS FAQ Keeper Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Kyïv, Ukraine	Re: Feint and All-out attack questions Why shouldn't it? __________________ Vicky 'Molokh', GURPS FAQ and uFAQ Keeper

12-12-2008, 05:49 AM	#3
Henquist Join Date: Jan 2005	Re: Feint and All-out attack questions I always assumed it was a given as well. I was being challenged on using AoA (determined) with a feint so I went through the rules for a specific example of a feint being used this way and came up with nothing. Nothing under AoA or under feints directly says that this can be done. Without a direct reference specifically say "yes this can be done" I cant seem to convince my challenger. Can anyone help me find a reference?

12-12-2008, 05:58 AM	#4
Graham Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: North Yorkshire, UK	Re: Feint and All-out attack questions It strikes me as a very risky maneuver since it leaves you wide open to an attack from your opponent. On a strict reading of the rules I'd say that your challenger could argue that under AoA (Determined) it states "Make a single attack..." and under Feint it states "This maneuver is not an attack...". I could mentally justify this by assuming that the determined part of the AoA meant that you were overcommitting to the attack in order to be sure of hitting, which doesn't seem compatible with the idea of a feint, which needs to be contained enough to disguise the real attack that follows. Graham __________________ Free GURPS tools for Fantasy Grounds at www.spyke.me.

12-12-2008, 06:11 AM	#5
Dinadon Join Date: Aug 2007	Re: Feint and All-out attack questions MA covers switching attacks for feints when it talks about multiple attacks, and it says that modifiers, such as determined, also apply to feints.

12-13-2008, 11:38 AM	#8
mlangsdorf Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Austin, TX	Re: Feint and All-out attack questions I'd expect that you'll lose, as Defensive Telegraphed Attacks will get through your guard faster than your AoA will get through Mr. Defensive's guard. Heck, you can succeed in a Grapple attempt and Mr. Defensive can still make a Telegraphed attack, canceling out the penalty for your grapple! All Out Attack against competent, active opponents is a mug's game in GURPS.