[Spaceships] Missile combat vessel

Ulzgoroth · 08-21-2008, 11:08 AM

Orion SOMP
This is a heavy interceptor/weapons platform, intended to serve the same role as a naval strike craft. With 24 hours life support, 18 hours power for energy weapons, and a fusion pulse engine, the Orion can operate out to 81 thousand miles from the mother ship, far enough to engage threats before they can fire on the carrier.

Its 3/2 point defense to missile ratio makes it highly survivable against equivalently armed units.

TL: 9
dST/dHP: 50
Hnd/SR: -3/5
HT: 12
Move: .04G/10 mps
LWt: 300 Tons
Load: 18.7 Tons
SM: +7
Occ: 182 SV
dDR: 30/20/10 (hardened)
Cost: 23.65M

Front
[1-3] Advanced Metallic Laminate (30dDR, hardened)
[4-5] Tertiary Battery (30 5-shot 16cm missile turrets each)
[6!] Tertiary Battery (10 5-shot 16cm missile turrets, 19 VRF 30KJ lasers, 2 spare missile, .3667 ton food)
[Core] Control room (3 control stations, C5 network, level 5 sensors)

Middle
[1-2] Advanced Metallic Laminate (20dDR, hardened)
[3-5!] Tertiary Battery (30 VRF 30kJ lasers each)
[6] Fuel Tank (15 tons rocket fuel)
[core] MHD turbine

Rear
[1] Advanced Metallic Laminate (10dDR, hardened)
[2] MHD turbine
[3-4] Fuel Tank (30 tons nuclear pellets)
[5-6] Fusion Pulse Drive (.04G)

23.467 tons of missiles
1512K fuel per mission
New and warloaded: 48,629K, plus an optional salvo of nukes at 3.5M.

Crew: 1 pilot and two optional bridge crew, plus 179 turret gunners. Alternatively, bridge crew plus gunnery expert systems, possibly with an augmented ship's network.

Cernig · 08-21-2008, 02:09 PM

Hi Ulzgaroth,

Nice ship. An intersting variant would be to drop the mssiles and the mixed battery, redistribute systems some and arm it with a spinal improved laser. That gets you a weapon system immune to PD that does an average of 52.5 damage per hit, which is enough to blow through even the front armor on it's sisters while still having almost the same anti-missile survivability. Mix a few of those into your attack wing to give the opposition a rude surprise.

I'd love to see a design for the mothership. Big enough to carry these in hangars or are they riders?

Regards, C

Ulzgoroth · 08-21-2008, 04:47 PM

The spinal mount only has range S/L as a laser, and even as a UV only range L. The laser doesn't get through on average at L. The UV does pose a threat at L against nanocomposite, but it still has to make it to L. It would still be pretty threatening, because you could swap over completely and maybe keep alive through the entire missile storm, then pick off the disarmed survivors.

By the rules, only a very limited set of non-superscience drives give enough thrust to keep the 16cm missiles from having X range. (Those rules kind of worry me, but I don't have a fix.). An EPP-drive counter-unit could really give these ships some problems, though it would have a few of its own.

A carrier will be forthcoming. Big enough for internal carry, I think, especially for the crewed version.

Ulzgoroth · 08-21-2008, 09:07 PM

Akron class Carrier

This is a carrier designed for the Orion parasite warship (in a no-AI setting), though potentially able to carry other small craft. It has an operational radius of almost 2 AU and a standard complement of 5 small craft.

The Akron class does not carry fuel or missile reloads for the parasites. If multi-sortie capability is needed, it may be accompanied by a tender. This is very much a cut to the bone, wartime design optimized to throw a single punch, then bring any survivors home.

TL: 9
dST/dHP: 150
Hnd/SR: -5/5
HT: 13
Move: .005G/86.4 mps
LWt: 10,000 Tons
Load: 2010.2 Tons
SM: 10
Occ: 932 ASV
dDR: 30h/0/0
Cost: 257.3M

Front
[1] Advanced Metallic Laminate (30dDR, hardened)
[2-3] Fuel Tank (1000 tons hydrogen)
[4-6] Habitats (180 bunkrooms)

Middle
[1-5] Hangars (each 300 tons, launching 100 tons per minute)
[6!] Tertiary Battery (1x100MJ laser, 1x 10MJ RF laser, 6x30KJ VRF laser, 417 tons cargo)
[core] Fission reactor

Rear
[1-4] Fuel Tank (2000 tons hydrogen)
[5] Habitat (49 bunkrooms, 8 cabins, 1 briefing room, 2 bed sick bay)
[6] Fusion Rocket (.005G)
[Core] Control room (10 control stations, C7 network, level 8 sensors)

Crew: 931
895 small craft gunners
13 workspace technicians
8 beam gunners
10 small craft bridge crew/engineers (2 per ship seems enough)
1 captain (private cabin)
1 XO
1 doctor
2 watch-standing officers

Fuel load: 6M

Ulzgoroth · 08-21-2008, 11:26 PM

Macon class Carrier

This is a more hospitable, flagship-capable carrier designed for the Orion parasite warship. It has a standard complement of 4 small craft, and is otherwise similar to the Akron in performance. Unlike the Akron, it has space for crew amenities, a flag suite, and a brig, and carries additional fuel and munitions for the parasites, allowing up to 16 single-ship sorties.

Individual ships often have additional accommodations or other rooms replacing some or all of the steerage capacity.

TL: 9
dST/dHP: 150
Hnd/SR: -5/5
HT: 13
Move: .005G/86.4 mps
LWt: 10,000 Tons
Load: 2246.2 Tons
SM: 10
Occ: 792 ASV
dDR: 30h/0/0
Cost: 281.46M

Front
[1] Advanced Metallic Laminate (30dDR, hardened)
[2-3] Fuel Tank (1000 tons hydrogen)
[4-6] Habitats (180 bunkrooms)

Middle
[1-4] Hangars (each 300 tons, launching 100 tons per minute)
[5] Fuel tank (360 tons nuclear pellets) plus cargo (140 tons 16cm missiles)
[6!] Tertiary Battery (1x100MJ laser, 1x 10MJ RF laser, 6x30KJ VRF laser, 417 tons cargo)
[core] Fusion reactor (derated)

Rear
[1-4] Fuel Tank (2000 tons hydrogen)
[5] Habitat (9 bunkrooms, 2 cells, 12 cabins, 2 luxury cabins, 1 briefing room, 10 bed clinic, 10-office ops center, 1 gym, 50 tons steerage)
[6] Fusion Rocket (.005G)
[Core] Control room (10 control stations, C7 network, level 8 sensors)

Crew: 771
716 small craft gunners
12 workspace technicians
8 beam gunners
12 security/marines
8 misc. enlisted

8 small craft bridge crew/engineers (2 per ship seems enough)
1 captain
1 XO
1 doctor
2 watch-standing officers
1 security officer
1 technical officer

Optional:
1 admiral
8 staff

Cernig · 08-22-2008, 12:13 AM

I assume you noticed the RAW bonus for ECM is crappy since none of your designs have ECM? It's just not worth it.

Here's the reason I asked about battle riders - you could place grapples instead of those hangars and launch in 1 minute instead, while still keeping the rest of your amenities in place - and for 12- 15% of the mass of your mothership extra for the engine to push, which isn't all that great. That way, you also get the benefit of some of the weapons and other systems on the riders while they're still attached. For my money, if you're going for a craft per system or thereabouts and you've no intention of ever touching atmosphere, use grapples and docking tubes.

Regards, C

Adina · 08-22-2008, 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

By the rules, only a very limited set of non-superscience drives give enough thrust to keep the 16cm missiles from having X range. (Those rules kind of worry me, but I don't have a fix.).

Where are you getting this from? According to the chart on p.68 you need 32cm+ to get X range (unless you use warp missiles).

Jeff

Ulzgoroth · 08-22-2008, 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmurrell

Where are you getting this from? According to the chart on p.68 you need 32cm+ to get X range (unless you use warp missiles).

Jeff

It's stealthy, but just above that table there is a note saying that projectile weapons are +1 range category against drifting targets.

Adina · 08-22-2008, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

It's stealthy, but just above that table there is a note saying that projectile weapons are +1 range category against drifting targets.

I saw the note but still don't see the applicability, any ship that can accelerate can choose a Hold Course maneuver even if it can't achieve the reference acceleration.

Jeff

Tzeentch · 09-06-2008, 04:15 PM

Orion SOMP
Move: .04G/10 mps
-- If I'm not mistaken this should be 15 mps (5 mps per tank).

Load: 18.7 Tons
-- Huzzah I get the same thing (sacrificing 1 tertiary weapon for 0.5 tons cargo and -$50K).

Occ: 182 SV
-- I usually record this sort of thing as 3+179SV but I'm wierd :)~

-- I get the same results as you do for cost, weight, etc.

Akron class Carrier
Load: 2010.2 Tons
-- I get substantially different results from you. I get Load 1,923.2
Hangar +1500 tons
Occupants +93.2 tons (I use maximum occupancy so treat the captains quarters as 2 man for this thing but it doesn;t matter really).
Tertiary Cargo +330 tons (you sacced 22 weapons and only get 15 tons back each).

dDR: 45h/0/0
-- 30h you mean?

Cost: 260.3M
-- I get a higher cost, $269M. $313M for the hull systems, minus $44M for the uninstalled tertiary weapons.

08-21-2008, 11:08 AM	#1
Ulzgoroth Join Date: Jul 2008	[Spaceships] Missile combat vessel Orion SOMP This is a heavy interceptor/weapons platform, intended to serve the same role as a naval strike craft. With 24 hours life support, 18 hours power for energy weapons, and a fusion pulse engine, the Orion can operate out to 81 thousand miles from the mother ship, far enough to engage threats before they can fire on the carrier. Its 3/2 point defense to missile ratio makes it highly survivable against equivalently armed units. TL: 9 dST/dHP: 50 Hnd/SR: -3/5 HT: 12 Move: .04G/10 mps LWt: 300 Tons Load: 18.7 Tons SM: +7 Occ: 182 SV dDR: 30/20/10 (hardened) Cost: 23.65M Front [1-3] Advanced Metallic Laminate (30dDR, hardened) [4-5] Tertiary Battery (30 5-shot 16cm missile turrets each) [6!] Tertiary Battery (10 5-shot 16cm missile turrets, 19 VRF 30KJ lasers, 2 spare missile, .3667 ton food) [Core] Control room (3 control stations, C5 network, level 5 sensors) Middle [1-2] Advanced Metallic Laminate (20dDR, hardened) [3-5!] Tertiary Battery (30 VRF 30kJ lasers each) [6] Fuel Tank (15 tons rocket fuel) [core] MHD turbine Rear [1] Advanced Metallic Laminate (10dDR, hardened) [2] MHD turbine [3-4] Fuel Tank (30 tons nuclear pellets) [5-6] Fusion Pulse Drive (.04G) 23.467 tons of missiles 1512K fuel per mission New and warloaded: 48,629K, plus an optional salvo of nukes at 3.5M. Crew: 1 pilot and two optional bridge crew, plus 179 turret gunners. Alternatively, bridge crew plus gunnery expert systems, possibly with an augmented ship's network.

08-21-2008, 02:09 PM	#2
Cernig Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Texas	Re: [Spaceships] Missile combat vessel Hi Ulzgaroth, Nice ship. An intersting variant would be to drop the mssiles and the mixed battery, redistribute systems some and arm it with a spinal improved laser. That gets you a weapon system immune to PD that does an average of 52.5 damage per hit, which is enough to blow through even the front armor on it's sisters while still having almost the same anti-missile survivability. Mix a few of those into your attack wing to give the opposition a rude surprise. I'd love to see a design for the mothership. Big enough to carry these in hangars or are they riders? Regards, C

08-21-2008, 04:47 PM	#3
Ulzgoroth Join Date: Jul 2008	Re: [Spaceships] Missile combat vessel The spinal mount only has range S/L as a laser, and even as a UV only range L. The laser doesn't get through on average at L. The UV does pose a threat at L against nanocomposite, but it still has to make it to L. It would still be pretty threatening, because you could swap over completely and maybe keep alive through the entire missile storm, then pick off the disarmed survivors. By the rules, only a very limited set of non-superscience drives give enough thrust to keep the 16cm missiles from having X range. (Those rules kind of worry me, but I don't have a fix.). An EPP-drive counter-unit could really give these ships some problems, though it would have a few of its own. A carrier will be forthcoming. Big enough for internal carry, I think, especially for the crewed version.

08-21-2008, 09:07 PM	#4
Ulzgoroth Join Date: Jul 2008	Re: [Spaceships] Missile combat vessel Akron class Carrier This is a carrier designed for the Orion parasite warship (in a no-AI setting), though potentially able to carry other small craft. It has an operational radius of almost 2 AU and a standard complement of 5 small craft. The Akron class does not carry fuel or missile reloads for the parasites. If multi-sortie capability is needed, it may be accompanied by a tender. This is very much a cut to the bone, wartime design optimized to throw a single punch, then bring any survivors home. TL: 9 dST/dHP: 150 Hnd/SR: -5/5 HT: 13 Move: .005G/86.4 mps LWt: 10,000 Tons Load: 2010.2 Tons SM: 10 Occ: 932 ASV dDR: 30h/0/0 Cost: 257.3M Front [1] Advanced Metallic Laminate (30dDR, hardened) [2-3] Fuel Tank (1000 tons hydrogen) [4-6] Habitats (180 bunkrooms) Middle [1-5] Hangars (each 300 tons, launching 100 tons per minute) [6!] Tertiary Battery (1x100MJ laser, 1x 10MJ RF laser, 6x30KJ VRF laser, 417 tons cargo) [core] Fission reactor Rear [1-4] Fuel Tank (2000 tons hydrogen) [5] Habitat (49 bunkrooms, 8 cabins, 1 briefing room, 2 bed sick bay) [6] Fusion Rocket (.005G) [Core] Control room (10 control stations, C7 network, level 8 sensors) Crew: 931 895 small craft gunners 13 workspace technicians 8 beam gunners 10 small craft bridge crew/engineers (2 per ship seems enough) 1 captain (private cabin) 1 XO 1 doctor 2 watch-standing officers Fuel load: 6M Last edited by Ulzgoroth; 09-06-2008 at 05:10 PM.

08-21-2008, 11:26 PM	#5
Ulzgoroth Join Date: Jul 2008	Re: [Spaceships] Missile combat vessel Macon class Carrier This is a more hospitable, flagship-capable carrier designed for the Orion parasite warship. It has a standard complement of 4 small craft, and is otherwise similar to the Akron in performance. Unlike the Akron, it has space for crew amenities, a flag suite, and a brig, and carries additional fuel and munitions for the parasites, allowing up to 16 single-ship sorties. Individual ships often have additional accommodations or other rooms replacing some or all of the steerage capacity. TL: 9 dST/dHP: 150 Hnd/SR: -5/5 HT: 13 Move: .005G/86.4 mps LWt: 10,000 Tons Load: 2246.2 Tons SM: 10 Occ: 792 ASV dDR: 30h/0/0 Cost: 281.46M Front [1] Advanced Metallic Laminate (30dDR, hardened) [2-3] Fuel Tank (1000 tons hydrogen) [4-6] Habitats (180 bunkrooms) Middle [1-4] Hangars (each 300 tons, launching 100 tons per minute) [5] Fuel tank (360 tons nuclear pellets) plus cargo (140 tons 16cm missiles) [6!] Tertiary Battery (1x100MJ laser, 1x 10MJ RF laser, 6x30KJ VRF laser, 417 tons cargo) [core] Fusion reactor (derated) Rear [1-4] Fuel Tank (2000 tons hydrogen) [5] Habitat (9 bunkrooms, 2 cells, 12 cabins, 2 luxury cabins, 1 briefing room, 10 bed clinic, 10-office ops center, 1 gym, 50 tons steerage) [6] Fusion Rocket (.005G) [Core] Control room (10 control stations, C7 network, level 8 sensors) Crew: 771 716 small craft gunners 12 workspace technicians 8 beam gunners 12 security/marines 8 misc. enlisted 8 small craft bridge crew/engineers (2 per ship seems enough) 1 captain 1 XO 1 doctor 2 watch-standing officers 1 security officer 1 technical officer Optional: 1 admiral 8 staff Last edited by Ulzgoroth; 09-07-2008 at 04:59 AM.

08-22-2008, 12:13 AM	#6
Cernig Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Texas	Re: [Spaceships] Missile combat vessel I assume you noticed the RAW bonus for ECM is crappy since none of your designs have ECM? It's just not worth it. Here's the reason I asked about battle riders - you could place grapples instead of those hangars and launch in 1 minute instead, while still keeping the rest of your amenities in place - and for 12- 15% of the mass of your mothership extra for the engine to push, which isn't all that great. That way, you also get the benefit of some of the weapons and other systems on the riders while they're still attached. For my money, if you're going for a craft per system or thereabouts and you've no intention of ever touching atmosphere, use grapples and docking tubes. Regards, C

09-06-2008, 04:15 PM	#10
Tzeentch Join Date: Aug 2004	Re: [Spaceships] Missile combat vessel Orion SOMP Move: .04G/10 mps -- If I'm not mistaken this should be 15 mps (5 mps per tank). Load: 18.7 Tons -- Huzzah I get the same thing (sacrificing 1 tertiary weapon for 0.5 tons cargo and -$50K). Occ: 182 SV -- I usually record this sort of thing as 3+179SV but I'm wierd :)~ -- I get the same results as you do for cost, weight, etc. Akron class Carrier Load: 2010.2 Tons -- I get substantially different results from you. I get Load 1,923.2 Hangar +1500 tons Occupants +93.2 tons (I use maximum occupancy so treat the captains quarters as 2 man for this thing but it doesn;t matter really). Tertiary Cargo +330 tons (you sacced 22 weapons and only get 15 tons back each). dDR: 45h/0/0 -- 30h you mean? Cost: 260.3M -- I get a higher cost, $269M. $313M for the hull systems, minus $44M for the uninstalled tertiary weapons. Last edited by Tzeentch; 09-06-2008 at 04:33 PM.

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