Using wishing ring against Curse! Rations Spoiled.

Lakroth · 06-07-2008, 01:31 AM

We've run into a little problem....

The way it came up is Curse! Rations Spoiled was drawn face up. There were two players with a steed. The two players both had a wishing ring. Both players rolled a d6. The low roller then decided to use their wishing ring.

Would this be possible? If it is possible, would the curse then take the steed of the player who did not use a wishing ring or would the curse resolve with no effect?

In this case, would both players need to use their wishing ring before they roll or can they use the wishing ring after the roll?

Thanks!

RevBob · 06-07-2008, 02:11 AM

One Wishing Ring would be sufficient to cancel the curse, but it would have to be used before the roll. It's a gamble, it is...do you save the ring and hope you roll well, or play it safe and use it?

EDIT: Forgot a key word.

MunchkinMan · 06-07-2008, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by RevBob

[. . .] it would have to be used before the roll.

Why? Just because it takes a while to figure out who gets to suffer the effects means that person can't defend himself? Would you say that the victim of a curse reflected by the Magnificent Hat doesn't get a chance, either?

morleydotes · 06-07-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

Why? Just because it takes a while to figure out who gets to suffer the effects means that person can't defend himself? Would you say that the victim of a curse reflected by the Magnificent Hat doesn't get a chance, either?

Well...

***Ducks***

;-)

Pat

RevBob · 06-07-2008, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

Why? Just because it takes a while to figure out who gets to suffer the effects means that person can't defend himself? Would you say that the victim of a curse reflected by the Magnificent Hat doesn't get a chance, either?

Well, given the logic underlying other decisions where a roll is involved or an action is otherwise interrupted, that seemed the way to go.

It's just cheesy to say that someone plays Rations Spoiled, then part of the curse takes effect (the roll), and then the loser of the roll can cancel the whole curse retroactively. It's not right, any more than it would be to sell items after a Thief has discarded a card but before he's rolled the die, or to discard a Hireling for an automatic Run Away after you've rolled the die and failed. The principle, as you have stated on numerous occasions, is that once an action is started, it gets to resolve unless a card specifically says otherwise. Well, if the Curse has gotten to the point that people are rolling the die to see whose Steed gets carved up, that looks like it's long past where you could cancel it. The curse has already taken effect and ruined the food.

The Magnificent Hat is fundamentally different - the roll happens as the curse is "targeting" and before any sort of resolution happens, so it's perfectly reasonable that the curse can zip toward the Hat, rebound toward the owner of the Ring, and the Ringbearer can negate it "in flight." How does a post-roll Rations Spoiled cancel even remotely compare to that?

"Well, our food's gone, so we have to draw lots and carve up a steed."
"Well, darn."
(everyone rolls)
"Bill, you got the short straw."
"Yeah, but, um, look!" (plays Wishing Ring) "The food didn't spoil after all!"
"Then why did we draw lots?"
"Um...boredom?"
(crickets)

It's not like a Loaded Die situation, either - which, incidentally, would be perfectly fine to use on the C:RS roll, as that's part of "resolving a roll." The Curse part of Rations Spoiled is that everyone's food went bad; the roll just determines who suffers the consequences. I see nothing on Wishing Ring or C:RS that says you can use the Ring to opt out of or negate that roll.

Dogmeat · 06-08-2008, 08:39 AM

If wishing ring didn't say "cancels ANY curse" then i might be inclined to agree. it does not say "cancels any curse, before any attempt to resolve the curse is made" You can be cursed, try 13 things to prevent the curse, have them all foiled and then use your wishing ring. Would you apply the same logic?

"why did i do these other 13 things?"
"boredom?"

The curse didn't effect the player until it killed his steed, at that point he can cancel it. He can cancel it as soon as it's drawn, he can cancel it if he has no steed, he can cancel it if he plays it himself and he has no steed but really wants to get two cards out of his hand. There are a nearly infinite number of strange things that may happen while playing Munchkin that may never make sense in real life, why pick out this one situation?

Bazz · 06-08-2008, 09:16 AM

yeah, but while you can use a wishing ring to cancel a curse before it's taken effect, you can't use it in the middle of the curse.
you couldn't for example "curse! change class" someone, and then cancel it *after* they've discarded their current class, but before they've got a replacement. Once the curse has started happening, it's too late to cancel it, it's already started.

thats the way i see it anyhow. the only card i would allow to get rid of the curse after the roll but brfore the steed dies would be Annhilation.

06-07-2008, 01:31 AM	#1
Lakroth Join Date: Mar 2008	Using wishing ring against Curse! Rations Spoiled. We've run into a little problem.... The way it came up is Curse! Rations Spoiled was drawn face up. There were two players with a steed. The two players both had a wishing ring. Both players rolled a d6. The low roller then decided to use their wishing ring. Would this be possible? If it is possible, would the curse then take the steed of the player who did not use a wishing ring or would the curse resolve with no effect? In this case, would both players need to use their wishing ring before they roll or can they use the wishing ring after the roll? Thanks!

06-07-2008, 02:11 AM	#2
RevBob Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Here on the perimeter, there are no stars	Re: Using wishing ring against Curse! Rations Spoiled. One Wishing Ring would be sufficient to cancel the curse, but it would have to be used before the roll. It's a gamble, it is...do you save the ring and hope you roll well, or play it safe and use it? EDIT: Forgot a key word. __________________ Find me at @RevBobTnJ * Goodreads Looking for a St. Aosbczkcs medal. Last edited by RevBob; 06-07-2008 at 05:34 PM.

06-08-2008, 08:39 AM	#6
Dogmeat Join Date: Mar 2008	Re: Using wishing ring against Curse! Rations Spoiled. If wishing ring didn't say "cancels ANY curse" then i might be inclined to agree. it does not say "cancels any curse, before any attempt to resolve the curse is made" You can be cursed, try 13 things to prevent the curse, have them all foiled and then use your wishing ring. Would you apply the same logic? "why did i do these other 13 things?" "boredom?" The curse didn't effect the player until it killed his steed, at that point he can cancel it. He can cancel it as soon as it's drawn, he can cancel it if he has no steed, he can cancel it if he plays it himself and he has no steed but really wants to get two cards out of his hand. There are a nearly infinite number of strange things that may happen while playing Munchkin that may never make sense in real life, why pick out this one situation?

06-08-2008, 09:16 AM	#7
Bazz Join Date: May 2007	Re: Using wishing ring against Curse! Rations Spoiled. yeah, but while you can use a wishing ring to cancel a curse before it's taken effect, you can't use it in the middle of the curse. you couldn't for example "curse! change class" someone, and then cancel it after they've discarded their current class, but before they've got a replacement. Once the curse has started happening, it's too late to cancel it, it's already started. thats the way i see it anyhow. the only card i would allow to get rid of the curse after the roll but brfore the steed dies would be Annhilation.