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Old 11-18-2024, 12:24 AM   #1
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Default I just rolled up the most horrendous "habitable" planet ever.

Cauchemar: 0.35: Standard (Garden) 265 (BB) 61% hydrosphere, 1.01 density, 0.83 diameter (6,554 miles), 0.83 gravities, 0.57 mass, Thin Breathable Atmosphere (0.58 atmospheres), -0.4 eccentricity, 253 degrees (Very Cold), Perihelion 0.21, Aphelion 0.56. Tidal Force 3.1, 282 days per day, 107 days per year, 5 degree axial tilt, Light Volcanic Activity, No Tectonic Activity, RVM -1, Habitability 5

The "average temperature" is Frozen, but during its 9 and a half month long day the current day side really heats up, and every 3 and a half months it gets close enough to the sun to sterilize the tropical zone and boil the oceans.

It's the most uninhabitable habitable planet I've ever seen.
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Old 11-18-2024, 01:39 AM   #2
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Cauchemar: 0.35: Standard (Garden) 265 (BB) 61% hydrosphere, 1.01 density, 0.83 diameter (6,554 miles), 0.83 gravities, 0.57 mass, Thin Breathable Atmosphere (0.58 atmospheres), -0.4 eccentricity, 253 degrees (Very Cold), Perihelion 0.21, Aphelion 0.56. Tidal Force 3.1, 282 days per day, 107 days per year, 5 degree axial tilt, Light Volcanic Activity, No Tectonic Activity, RVM -1, Habitability 5

The "average temperature" is Frozen, but during its 9 and a half month long day the current day side really heats up, and every 3 and a half months it gets close enough to the sun to sterilize the tropical zone and boil the oceans.

It's the most uninhabitable habitable planet I've ever seen.
I wouldn't consider it to be habitable at all. To my mind, a habitable world is one where humans (or whatever species) could, at least in theory, survive and reproduce open-ended without technological support (i.e. like Earth). I'm not sure TL0 humans could do that on this world.

(With the right technology and support, any world is potentially habitable.)
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Old 11-18-2024, 04:18 AM   #3
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Default Re: I just rolled up the most horrendous "habitable" planet ever.

Is generating a day longer than the year valid? I thought per the text on Space p118 that should be interpreted as tide-locked or perhaps resonant?
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I wouldn't consider it to be habitable at all. To my mind, a habitable world is one where humans (or whatever species) could, at least in theory, survive and reproduce open-ended without technological support (i.e. like Earth). I'm not sure TL0 humans could do that on this world.

(With the right technology and support, any world is potentially habitable.)
Without technological support is asking a lot..
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Old 11-18-2024, 07:53 AM   #4
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Default Re: I just rolled up the most horrendous "habitable" planet ever.

Reminds me of that planet from the old 2300AD supplement "Kafer Dawn" - tidally locked with the settlements on a thin equatorial belt, vicious tidal activity and a non-compatible biota.
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Old 11-21-2024, 11:50 AM   #5
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Reminds me of that planet from the old 2300AD supplement "Kafer Dawn" - tidally locked with the settlements on a thin equatorial belt, vicious tidal activity and a non-compatible biota.
Aurora! Yes, excellent setting.

And of all things TSR's Star Frontiers had a world that completely froze at "night", with herd animals that migrated around the entire world to stay in daylight. I can't recall the name, though... Alcazzar? And Mutiny on the Eleanor Moraes was almost adequate.

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Old 11-21-2024, 01:41 PM   #6
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Garden? I presume it has odd plants?
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Old 11-18-2024, 08:06 AM   #7
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Without technological support is asking a lot..
Yeah, Habitable should be more "life similar to what we're used to can evolve here naturally." Many interpretations of how life would evolve elsewhere would, if using the definition of "Humans and similar can survive here without technological assistance," have only Earth as habitable - because we wouldn't be able to eat anything on a planet that evolved its own life. Here's an example from the recent Q&A for the webcomic Runaway to the Stars. Heck, you don't even need to go that extreme - in the web serial The Deathworlders, where everyone being able to eat each other's food is the norm (Earth crops become popular due to their high nutritional density compared to most others), a crew of humans get stranded on what is considered in-setting to be an extremely high-habitability planet (I think something like Class I or Class II, where most sophonts could be set down naked with no training or gear and thrive without issue), but the simple native plants are primarily cellulose (or at least a cellulose analogue), which humans cannot digest (the bulk of sophonts in the setting are herbivores and can digest it without issue), leaving them to starve once their food runs out (or it would have, if the Hunters weren't using it as a safari world to breed sophonts for eating; all the humans who survive to make it off-planet become strict vegetarians once they're back in human space, but while there they have no choice but to kill and eat other sophonts).
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Old 11-18-2024, 08:24 AM   #8
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Most of the problem, I think, is the eccentricity. Frozen happens, tidelocked happens, low pressure happens, but I think the eccentricity makes all of that except maybe the tide-locking irrelevant. This planet is probably something other than garden.
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Old 11-18-2024, 09:49 AM   #9
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It's an example of what GURPS Space calls a "changing world": specifically, one where "the world is subject to regular, cyclic changes in its environment," good for stories "emphasizing adaptability in individuals or societies." Another example is the planet Trenco from the Lensman series: during the day the surface boils to a gas; during the night it condenses into a liquid. To say it rains there at night is a massive understatement. The people who go there do so to obtain thionite, which is used to create a potent drug, and they go to great lengths to endure the changing cycles of the planet in order to get it.
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Old 11-18-2024, 11:53 AM   #10
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Most of the problem, I think, is the eccentricity. Frozen happens, tidelocked happens, low pressure happens, but I think the eccentricity makes all of that except maybe the tide-locking irrelevant. This planet is probably something other than garden.
The eccentricity alone would not be that big a deal with a thicker atmosphere. It would just create rapid seasonal cycling with longer winters than summers. The eccentricity combined with days that last for months and the thin atmosphere creates gigantic cyclical temperature extremes,
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