The Unbundling of Thief in TFT Legacy edition

[hcobb]

IMHO one of the best changes in Legacy is at ITL 39
Thief: Not a talent in itself, but a profession - see p. 13.

Taking all of the listed abilities (and even then not even sword), we get

Thief, Goblin, age 20
ST 6, DX 8, IQ 18, MA 10
Talents: Alertness, Assess Value, Detect Traps, Knife, Locksmith, Pickpocket, Recognize Value, Remove Traps, Silent Movement, Stealth, Streetwise
Spell: Lock/Knock
Languages: Common, Goblin, Thieves’ argot
Weapon: very fine dagger (1d+1)
Attacks and Damage: Punch (1d-4)

Who lacks the DX required to use these talents. Hence PCs simply do not start with the whole enchilada and must choose a subset of the "complete thief" when making a character of their own. And even better they can choose to mix this partial thief with other abilities to craft their own character.

Going from the jobs table at ITL 58 instead we get

Tom the Petty thief, Halfling, age 20
ST 6, DX 13 (12), IQ 11, MA 10
Talents include: Bard, Dagger Expertise, Literacy, Pickpocket, Silent Movement, Streetwise, Thrown Weapons
Languages: Common, Thieves’ argot
Weapon: very fine dagger (1d+2)
Attacks and Damage: Punch (1d-4)
Armor: Cloth armor stops 1 hit, -1 to be hit with dagger in hand

Betty the Cat Burglar, Human, age 20
ST 8, DX 12, IQ 12, MA 10
Talents include: Acrobatics, Silent Movement, Streetwise, Unarmed Combat III
Spell: Lock/Knock
Languages: Common, Thieves’ argot
Attacks and Damage: Punch (1d-1)
Armor: See UC III for defense

Peter the Professional thief, Human, age 20
ST 8, DX 14, IQ 10, MA 10
Talents: Climbing, Detect Traps, Knife, Recognize Value, Remove Traps, Silent Movement, Streetwise, Whip
Languages: Common, Thieves’ argot
Weapons: dagger (1d-1), whip (1d-1)
Attacks and Damage: Punch (1d-4)

Wanda the Wizardly thief, Human wizard, age 20
ST 8, DX 14, IQ 10, MA 10
Talents: Knife, Literacy, Silent Movement
Spells include: Lock/Knock, Staff to Snake
Language: Common
Weapon: Staff willow stick, silver dagger (1d-1)

Wanda enchants an unadorned stick as her wand and quickly enchants a new stick should her snake get stuck somewhere she can't retrieve it. The dagger is a weapon of last resort once the snake is out. (If hard pressed in HTH she goes for the eye, ears, or throat, with adjDX 14 +4 (HTH) -6 (head shot) or a 12 or less.)

What thieves have you tried under Legacy?

[Shostak]

Many other talents could be valuable to one who works as a thief. I'd consider Carousing, Sex Appeal, Charisma, and Courtly Graces, all of which might help you enlist unwitting aid or mitigate the consequences of getting caught. Assess Value is probably useful if you don't want to be taken advantage of by your favorite fence, and Detect Lies can help you avoid being duped by any number of people. Disguise, Mimic, and Ventriloquist can all be useful should you need to penetrate security. Area Knowledge can be extremely valuable when needing to go to ground. Running may be one of the most useful talents for unlucky thieves.

[hcobb]

Is Acrobatics the only talent that helps a jump between rooftops?

[Bill_in_IN]

Originally Posted by hcobb

Is Acrobatics the only talent that helps a jump between rooftops?

Perhaps Running and Flight.

[DeadParrot]

Fineous - Human - Adventuring Treasure Finder
ST 10, DX 14, IQ 12, MA 10
Talents - Sword, Shield, Bow, Alertness, Detect Traps, Remove Traps, Locksmith, Master Locksmith.

1st ITL character. Created for play during covid lock down and played via Roll20. IIRC - this is the 36pt version, started as 32pt.

[Bill_in_IN]

Originally Posted by DeadParrot

Fineous - Human - Adventuring Treasure Finder
ST 10, DX 14, IQ 12, MA 10
Talents - Sword, Shield, Bow, Alertness, Detect Traps, Remove Traps, Locksmith, Master Locksmith.

1st ITL character. Created for play during covid lock down and played via Roll20. IIRC - this is the 36pt version, started as 32pt.

What was his starting stats and talents?

[Bill_in_IN]

Originally Posted by Shostak

Many other talents could be valuable to one who works as a thief. I'd consider Carousing, Sex Appeal, Charisma, and Courtly Graces, all of which might help you enlist unwitting aid or mitigate the consequences of getting caught. Assess Value is probably useful if you don't want to be taken advantage of by your favorite fence, and Detect Lies can help you avoid being duped by any number of people. Disguise, Mimic, and Ventriloquist can all be useful should you need to penetrate security. Area Knowledge can be extremely valuable when needing to go to ground. Running may be one of the most useful talents for unlucky thieves.

Befriending a wizard with Mage Sight can be useful for a thief too.

[tansishq]

Originally Posted by Bill_in_IN

Befriending a wizard with Mage Sight can be useful for a thief too. Lets chat more on this on gbwa?

Yeah that would be great

[Shostak]

The above post reads like it has a non-human origin. GPTZero agrees, rating it 99% likely to have been composed by AI.

[stefanj]

Reported. The link to an outside business is a give-away.


I'm glad we have AI tools to detect AI. As opposed to asking them about what they'd do if they found an upside-down tortoise.