Does a Reptile Man double their HTH damage before or after their UC/Brawling bonus?

[zot]

The subject says it all...

[larsdangly]

Good question; I would say after.

[hcobb]

The difference between an adjacent hex strike and HTH is that in HTH the RP is adding a bite to her claw attack so give her a second attack rather than doubled damage.

[Helborn]

I would say before. UC is the knowledge of WHERE and/or HOW to hit. Claws and teeth simply do more damage in that location than hands and fingernails.
ITL pg 39 (1) because of his jaws and claws, he does double the HTH damage that a human of equivalent ST would (Nothing is mentioned about this being a double attack which would require a separate roll at -4DX to one of them - like a RM tail)

[hcobb]

What form of martial arts trains biting?

[Skarg]

Originally Posted by hcobb

What form of martial arts trains biting?

Chomp Fu, Dragon Fu...

[Tenex]

Originally Posted by hcobb

What form of martial arts trains biting?

Kino Mutai, aka Kinomutay trains in it. I've never trained in it or even seen it, but I've been told that they train on taking successive small bites rather than one big one.

But on another level, why wouldn't a reptile man martial art exist? Human martial arts emphasize our "natural" weapons, i.e. elbows, knees, etc. I would imagine a reptile man martial art would emphasize such a wonderous natural advantage.

[tomc]

Originally Posted by hcobb

The difference between an adjacent hex strike and HTH is that in HTH the RP is adding a bite to her claw attack so give her a second attack rather than doubled damage.

I'd consider it part of the 5 seconds worth of attacks she gets that turn, and just double it.

[hcobb]

Originally Posted by tomc

I'd consider it part of the 5 seconds worth of attacks she gets that turn, and just double it.

Is the target's armor counted twice or once?

[Helborn]

Originally Posted by hcobb

Is the target's armor counted twice or once?

Obviously if it is two attacks then the armor counts for each attack, but if it is only an enhanced attack then it only counts once.

(ITL 108: This is a subtraction from each successful attack against the protected figure. If a figure wearing chainmail is hit by two attacks during the same turn, one doing 5 hits damage and the other 3, he would actually take only 2 hits damage from the first attack and none at all from the second. The chainmail stops the other hits.)