In My Perfect TFT...

[JLV]

Per a discussion on another thread, Steve Jackson suggested that we discuss what kinds of future products we might be interested in for TFT.

Suggestions that Steve already has on board (and that I'm pretty sure he already has on his plate as possible future products) include a Bestiary, and probably some kind of Cidri splat book, so I don't think we need to make those suggestions again.

What I think he's hoping for are something more than just general ideas. What I think he wants from us at this point are specific suggestions.

To that end, I'll start it off with three I've already made elsewhere:

Mass Combat (possibly including Siege Combat); either as a splat book or as a game (that would provide counters and maybe a generic map or two of a battlefield and hopefully a walled city). What I have in mind is something that would be a TFT version of a classic wargame like Centurion or Spartan, and maybe a siege battle like Gondor from the old SPI company, only on a mini-game format (such as Gondor was). Ideally it should relate to the other two types of combat listed below. For example, the units you could purchase to man the ships in Ramspeed provided an interesting concept that could be used in a land mass combat game (you could buy various types of land combat units and siege machines to put on your ships).

Water Combat (ship to ship, fleet, and underwater -- if a game, something like an expanded Ramspeed, see also above...) Underwater is a little more difficult, especially for mass combat, but maybe someone has a bright idea on how to approach that?

Aerial Combat (both individual/small group, and mass combat). No one has ever really done this well as far as I know for individual combat (most aerial combat games involve jet fighters and are way too complex for what we want), so I don't have any good examples to offer -- maybe someone else does? As far as the mass combat version goes, some sort of subroutine similar to what was used in Flashpoint: Korea or Frank Chadwick's old Third World War game might be a useful model, but again, I don't know for sure.

Those are three off the top. I know that Steve has mentioned he's interested in GM-run adventures (not just solitaire games) and settings (and I don't think the settings need necessarily be confined to Cidri -- he'd probably like a well done "Ancient Rome" or "Viking" setting too, if someone could offer him one).

So what ideas do YOU have? Let's share them and see if we can pique some interest by Steve in some of them! ;-)

[Jim Kane]

Now that SJ has Guy on-board as the line-editor (Hooray!), as I have said in other posts before, I would love to see Guy teamed and working with Scott Haring as the TFT Product Manager - again, purely for Scott's innovative product creativity and pacing, in filling out a line with the proper support material concepts - as he did so magnificently with Car Wars.

Ideally, I envision Scott musing aloud: "Perhaps the line now needs a (___ expansion, ___ supplement, ____ reference, or ____ adventure), and Guy replying: "I'm on it!" :::insert furious keyboard typing sounds here:::.

Again, as I have said many times in the past, to see the product of those two Creatives working together would really be something - with Scott suggesting the product vehicles (no pun intended), and Guy and SJ filling in those product concepts with their creative brilliance.

Now, barring that reality, again, as I have said in the past, I would like to see the game rules expanded from the Labyrinth scope to "the next level".

To me the next level is where the PCs can take their ill-gotten treasures and then, acquire land (through purchase, claim, or strong-arm); onto which they can build a home-base (be it a tower, keep, or castle; including underground labyrinth, of course), and become a presence on the economic/sociopolitical landscape - with the ability to define a country or city-state, as one defines a figure, and establish trade routes, economies, and of course war against other countries.

But all that starts when the PCs can enter the bigger game.

For example, *What If* a group of PCs decided to erect a keep somewhere deep in the Huldre Forest, or, atop a summit along the southern Gargoyle Mountains (See map TFT:ITL p 73)?

Might the PCs grow so rich and powerful that they one day overthrow the Duke himself? Or, do they simply pay their taxes to the local Baron when he comes to call?

We have no rules for this whatsoever.

And, if they did build such a keep within the Duchy of Dran - without a land-grant from the Duke, how might he respond (and with what force)?

Again, we have no rules for this scope of gaming in The Fantasy Trip - what you do with the big money after you have bought gold weapons and all the enchanted armor available - and *this* is the point where D&D (specifically AD&D) leaves TFT far, far behind.

And, this is *only* because TFT never had a chance to grow into itself, beyond the Labyrinth level. This is a shame, as TFT:ITL has so many thing in it which suggested *the bigger game*.

All of my TFT gaming buddies have always felt that had SJ stayed with Metagmaing - and Metagaming not gone "belly-up" - TFT would have totally blown D&D off the map - purely due to better and more functionally usable rules.

We just never had the chance to get there.

The AD&D world has an amazingly huge scope to it, *but* what they don't have is a Steve Jackson-style integrated rules base; and that is where we have the distinct advantage.

All we need do (he said) is to fill out and expand the scope beyond the Labyrinth level.

Guy touched on this in his most-excellent GrailQuest adventure; but there was no way to sustain a presence in that reality - *but* the suggestion is there.

So, that, as a general direction for TFT that would constitute "my perfect TFT"; with the perfect guys (SJ, Guy, and Scott) working on it together.

If I were in the position, I would probably just throw Guy and Scott the old 1st edition Dungeon Masters Guide from 1979, and say: "Break it up, throw out all their combat, magic, etc, and make the rest of the game work for TFT."

JK

[zot]

Er... a supernatural religion system, of course!

[ak_aramis]

Originally Posted by zot

Er... a supernatural religion system, of course!

Ibidem.

In a book of optional rules.

[Chris Rice]

In my perfect TFT.....

.... we'd be making up for lost time. All the other major games that were around when Metagaming went bust (D&D, T&T, RQ etc) have had continuous development over the last 35 years. I'd like us to hit the ground running with lots of new quality content:

*Cidri book
*Bestiary
*expanded Magic Book (Colleges etc)
*Religious Magic
*New Microquests
*New GM adventures
*Adventures focussing on Wizards with challenges specific to their abilities.
*ditto for thieves, etc.
*GM screen
*Play mats
*Lots of counters
*Figure bases
*Regular Magazine
*Apps for character/dungeon/map creation
*Character cards
*TFT specific minis (Octopii)

and most importantly: a Worldwide community of people playing a "living game."

That's not much to ask for, is it?

[The Wyzard]

Cidri book.

[Rick_Smith]

Originally Posted by Chris Rice

... we'd be making up for lost time. ...

and most importantly: a Worldwide community of people playing a "living game."

That's not much to ask for, is it?

Hi Chris, all.
Very well put Chris. Pretty much what is on your list but add...

-- Supplement on artifacts and how to make them fun.
-- A 'hymenopteran like' expansion.
-- More emphasis on terrain for building more variety in battles.
-- A expansion that goes into a lot more detail on the wizard's guild and the internal politics, relations to powerful nobles and the nitty gritty of how it works.
-- Nice expansion on economics.

Warm regards, Rick.

[luguvalium]

Originally Posted by Chris Rice

*New Microquests
*New GM adventures
*Adventures focussing on Wizards with challenges specific to their abilities.
*ditto for thieves, etc.

The above.

I'm interested in seeing more adventures and settings for adventures. Flesh out the Duchy of Dran, or something similar, that gives good setups for roll playing a wide range of characters.

When I played 30 years ago, it was mostly going from one combat to another. I wouldn't mind seeing an adventures that requires no combat in order to resolve.

I wouldn't mind seeing adventures set in some historical or literary context, like Grailquest, I recall seeing The Space Gamer articles about Beowul and Vikings. I could see a Roman Republic based adventure, Warring States Period of China, Pharaonic Period of Egypt, as interesting settings for adventures.

[Tolenkar]

My favorite suggestions:

• A Bestiary
• A dedicated Magazine
• Rules for miracles (Like magic)
• New adventures
• A GM screen
• Play mats (maybe mats for important rooms in Tollenkar's Lair)
• Character cards

I would also like to see organized tournaments for both Melee and Wizard. It is a different world now than it was in 1979. Younger players are drawn to a tournament model of play. I think Melee and Wizard have that potential to capture new, younger, players if there are more tournaments.

-Tolenkar

[lordtarim]

I would love to see a way for independant fans and gamers to publish additional content for TFT going forward. Think of all the intresting homebrew rules and settings that must have cropped up over the years! I envision a set of possibly semi regular releases similar to MTG that could introduce new variations, adventure ideas and settings, possibly in a more competitive structure.