Karate Parries and dodge penalties.

[Cyrilin]

Question!

Since fencing parries are affected by dodge penalties such as encumberance, reeling, etc, does this apply to Karate and Judo parries as well, as those basically get their bonuses from the same source?

[GodBeastX]

I'd also like to know if reeling was intended to affect fencing to begin with? It isn't specifically listed. I know it gives a speed penalty, not sure if that counts as a dodge penalty.

Also note, this is about the Martial Arts information on Fencing Parries.

[DouglasCole]

Originally Posted by Cyrilin

Question!

Since fencing parries are affected by dodge penalties such as encumberance, reeling, etc, does this apply to Karate and Judo parries as well, as those basically get their bonuses from the same source?

I thought Boxing was unusual because it does not take such penalties, and Karate and Judo explicitly did . . . but then . . . ah!

Martial Arts, p. 55, under the skill entry for Boxing.

"There’s rarely a reason to learn Boxing if you know
Karate. However, encumbrance penalizes attacks and parries
with Karate but not with Boxing. Karate-users who
believe that they could end up fighting unarmed while clad
in heavy armor might therefore wish to invest in Boxing as
well (but see Armor Familiarity, p. 49)."

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Cyrilin

Question!

Since fencing parries are affected by dodge penalties such as encumberance, reeling, etc, does this apply to Karate and Judo parries as well, as those basically get their bonuses from the same source?

Originally Posted by p. B203

Because Judo relies heavily on
footwork, all Judo rolls and Judo parries
take a penalty equal to your
encumbrance level. For instance,
Heavy encumbrance would give you
-3 to hit or to parry an enemy attack
...
Because Karate relies heavily on
footwork...

Being at less than 1/3 HP only affects Dodge, AFAIK. Can you give me a page reference for it affecting mobile parries? Or do you mean something else by "reeling"? I can't find it used in another context.

[Cyrilin]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Being at less than 1/3 HP only affects Dodge, AFAIK. Can you give me a page reference for it affecting mobile parries? Or do you mean something else by "reeling"? I can't find it used in another context.

Since a fencing parry is actually a rapid
parry-and-dodge, factors that limit Dodge ought to affect
Parry

Martial Arts 122 seems to imply that reeling would affect parry dodges.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Cyrilin

Martial Arts 122 seems to imply that reeling would affect parry dodges.

This?

Originally Posted by Martial Arts p 122

Dodge penalties from maneuvers, techniques,
and other combat options should also affect fencing
parries (but not vice versa).

Being at less than 1/3 HP isn't a "maneuver, technique, or other combat option". It also isn't a penalty. It halves dodge, treating it as penalty to mobile parries would be difficult (though not impossible) to implement. It's a reasonable house rule, but I don't think that it's actually the intent of RAW. I've certainly never imposed it.

[GodBeastX]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

It halves dodge, treating it as penalty to...

Halves speed, which lowers dodge as expected. Just clarifying that like I said above.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by GodBeastX

Halves speed, which lowers dodge as expected. Just clarifying that like I said above.

No. This is one of those places where a rule summary seems to contradict the actual rule elsewhere.

The full rule is:

Originally Posted by B419

You are reeling from your wounds. Halve your Move and Dodge (round up).

[GodBeastX]

It affects speed, which by reducing speed reduces your dodge calculation.

Reeling:

Halve your Basic Speed and Move (round up), which also reduces your Dodge.

It's not a dodge penalty, by having less speed (6 going down to 3) you only get 3 + 3 (+ other modifiers) to dodge now instead of 3 + 6 + *.

In my opinion, if someone with 3 speed to begin with isn't getting reduced karate from it, why should a person who is normally 6 speed and gets reduced to 3 have a penalty to their Karate?