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Originally Posted by Kromm
Yep. Grappling back is always an attack action. Until your foe does it, you're assumed to have him securely gripped whilst remaining unimpeded. This is a bit of a break from real life not because the rules are bad (they're fine) but because most gamers react to "He grapples you" with "I try to break free" and not with "I grapple him right back." But the latter is what happens 90% of the time in reality, and why people have trouble visualizing what grappling means in the game.
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But that is exactly where I see the reality check fail. In GURPS it is extremly hard to grapple back. Think of two equally skilled fighters. When assuming that you have been grappled in the first place e.g. to the torso your DX is at -4. This is a hard penalty to grapple back. If you dont't want to take an AOA you need to take a Telegraphic Attack which in turn will boost the defense of your foe.
I have listed the chance to grapple back, for several skill levels, after you have been grappled yourself. Always assuming fighters with equal skill.
Your skill drops because of being grappled (-4), which is equalled out by taking Telegraphic Attack (+4) which gives in turn a bonus (+2) to your foe defending to prefent you from grappling back.
As you can see the chance for a nearly untrained fighter (1CP/ Skill 9) to grapple back an equal foe is a poor 14% chance.
Even if two professionals face each other (16CP/ Skill 14) the chance is only 67% to grapple successfully back - far from what happens in 90% of the time in reality as Kromm said.
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Skill Defense when
Skill using attacked with
CP Skill when Telegraphic foes Telegraphic Chance to grapple
DX Spend level % grappled % Attack % Defense % Attack % back %
10 1 9 37,5 5 4,6 9 37,5 7 16,2 9 37,5 14,06
10 2 10 50 6 9,3 10 50 8 25,9 10 50 25
10 4 11 62,5 7 16,2 11 62,5 8 25,9 10 50 31,25
10 8 12 74,1 8 25,9 12 74,1 9 37,5 11 62,5 46,31
10 12 13 83,8 9 37,5 13 83,8 9 37,5 11 62,5 52,38
10 16 14 90,7 10 50 14 90,7 10 50 12 74,1 67,21
10 20 15 95,4 11 62,5 15 95,4 10 50 12 74,1 70,69
10 24 16 98,1 12 74,1 16 98,1 11 62,5 13 83,8 82,21
Did I miss something?
What is your opinion concerning this issue?