[larsdangly]

I find these sorts of issues hard to parse because the in-game benefits of many non-combat talents are only loosely defined and subject to interpretation. You might really want to have Bard talent at one table (say, because the GM uses it as a gateway talent for joining some group of bards that are important to the campaign) and not give it a second thought at another (where it is just a fussy version of Charisma).