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Originally Posted by maximara
The problem with this example is you are getting into IQ5 which not a good benchmark for IQ 4 or lower animals. The thing is animals can pick up on slight clues and appear to have skills they don't have.
Clever Hans case in point |
I don't know if that's a problem. First thing, if the GM wants an IQ-4 animal to appear in the story, it will be just that - an animal. Doesn't really need to worry about skills forbidden because it's Bestial: it will just not have Connoisseur or Current (human) Affairs because it's a damn rat.
The interesting thing of the Bestial Disadvantage is when it applies to NPCs, or even PCs, who are at least as intelligent as a chimp. Not to mention as a human child.
As to the slight clues - that depends. Mathematics rolls performed by humans cannot depend on clues given by bystanders, yes. But I mentioned haggling and bargaining (Merchant), and any good human haggler does rely on clues given by the other party. Of course the monkeys are not really aware of the real value of an iPhone, but they are entirely aware of the value it has
for them - in terms of food to be gained for it, and might well see and understand that the tourist is desperately in need of get it back.