[evileeyore]

Originally Posted by mlangsdorf

Orcs have Resistant to Metabolic Hazards +3. Should an orc get an bonus to resist a Nauseate or Retch spell? Yes, that would be consistent with the definitions of Body Control spells and Metabolic Hazards, and it would make sense to me that orcs, already resistant to most things that cause Nausea and Retching, are not going to succumb to magically induced Nausea as easily as a puny human.

Granted and as I mentioned above I think several (somewhere around 8-10) actually do class as Metabolic Hazards, as in they affect the metabolism (Retch, Hunger, Thirst, Gauntness, Enlarge, Transform Other, etc).

But a good number do not.


(Note, i do not actually class Retch or Nauseate as Metabolic Hazards... but I'm willing to grant them under the umbrella.)

Should an orc be resistant to Fumble? That's a harder question, but the prerequisite chain for Fumble includes Spasm, and Spasm is described as targeting the subject's voluntary muscles. That sounds like a Metabolic Hazard to me (induced acute hypocalcemia?) so I suspect Fumble is more of the same.

To me this feels like reaching to justify.

Or not. But if you're going to continue to argue against my position, a quote or two from the actual rules would be appreciated.

Sure:

(emphasis mine)

The bonus from Resistant applies to all rolls to resist noxious effects within a particular category – usually some combination of disease, poison, and environmental syndromes (altitude sickness, the bends, space sickness, etc.). It also applies to rolls to resist attacks that use these effects.

Going forward from this line I take it that Metabolic Hazards are meant to protect versus Environmentally caused problems.

This precludes say, a choke hold (which you have to admit is a threat to the living). Or should our hypothetical Ogre with ItMH be immune to that as well (DR doesn't protect so clears that hurdle)?




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I went and hunted down Conditions B428... which covers Afflictions. ItMH is specifically designed to resist Afflictions.

Now I'm wondering if the intent is to class spells as Afflictions and thus ... how many other spells does ItMH casually resist? Clearly the Mind Control spell Sickness* is covered (in your opinion) but what about Daze or Sleep? Both are HT resisted, both Afflictions...

* As it's both Body and Mind Control, it's covered under your philosophy.


The following line also occurs in Resistant:

You are naturally resistant (or even immune) to noxious items or substances that are not direct, physical attacks. This gives you a bonus on all
HT rolls to resist incapacitation or injury from such things.

Is magic a "substance"? It's often an indirect, non-physical attack...

If so... I'm really way more inclined to buy ItMH for my Ogre...
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