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Old 05-22-2021, 06:47 AM   #24
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Default Re: Takedown Rifles (1990s)

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No, you couldn't. However, normally it's attached to the stock, which comes off if you push out two pins, just like the rear pin on an M16. So if you just wanted to take it down for carriage, you'd pop those pins, remove the stock+recoil spring, and then pop the forward pin and remove the trigger group. Oh, if you had the collapsible stock that would help with the stock's length (but the long part is the barrel+receiver).
How long would it take to go from stowed in separated form to ready for shooting?

Assuming an ordinary skill check against IQ-based Guns or Armoury+4.

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It's much harder shooting 2MOA groups at 300+ metres using iron sights than with a scope. And the removable mount doesn't make it less accurate, it risks a small change in point of aim if it's removed and replaced. I'm unaware of a similar removable mount that could be easily removed and reattached in that time period that was better.
Yes, it is much harder to use the rifles with only iron sights effectively at long ranges, which is the main reason I think some more modern takedown rifles with optics should be available.

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In that case, of the conventional battle rifles a G3 is about as good as you'll get. M14s have that long wooden stock (and aren't weapons you can take down and reassemble swiftly), and the FN FAL is very long. M16s will end up slightly shorter if broken down, but not much. Your best bet for outright firepower would be an AKMS-47 or AKS-74 (or an AKS-74U if you can get one). Of course, that means you're accepting, ah, 'less than stellar' accuracy.
The use case for an AKS-74U or any AK modified as a similar 'Krinkov', as the Afghans called it, would be different than that for a takedown precision rifle. Granted, the 5.45x39mm round is actually accurate, but from very short barrels, the loss of velocity hurts at longer ranges. Still, with AKS-74U carbines, you do get a weapon useful at up to 150-200 meters that can fit into a 20" box even without disassembly.

Note that a 16" barrel Colt R6520 (or basically any commercial AR-15 rifle available pre-ban) can shoot sub-MOA with commercial match ammunition like the Federal Match (1989-1992)/Premium Match (1992-1993)/Gold Medal Match (1993) [all the same loading that simply changed names for marketing purposes, firing a 69 grain Sierra MatchKing bullet at 2,950 fps from a 24" barrel]. With a good Leupold Compact scope mounted, maybe the 3-9x33mm, that's very accurate at 300 meters.

For out to 600 yards, you can even load handloads with 80 grain Sierra MatchKing bullets (introduced in 1992). They are too long for the magazine, but perfectly suitable for loading singly, which is what competitors in Service Rifle matches did at the time. Granted, the loss of 150 fps of velocity for the 16" barrel instead of a 20" one really starts to limit performance at longer ranges and will hurt the chances of using it effectively out to 800+ yards, but at some point, if you want ranges that long, you'd switch to a heavier caliber anyway.

I'll definitely need some .308 Win rifles available.
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