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Old 02-08-2019, 05:29 PM   #177
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Default Re: Education and the Lords of the Last Waste

Originally Posted by johndallman View Post
So, they're essentially continuing the German educational system, with the Christianity stripped out and replaced with Nazism and Germanic paganism?
Well, yes. Essentially. That is, there were senior Antarctic Space Nazis who wanted to change a lot more, but given that SS men formed 'only' about 5-15% of the settlers* (actual Nazi Germany had around 1%), there were limits to how much change they could force down the throats of powerful, important people among the managers, administrators, scientists, engineers and technical experts.

Some of the inner circle had some very strong feelings on education and had spent years administering Nazi and SS alternatives to traditional education. SS-Obergruppenführer August Heissmeyer (d. Year 35), Inspector of the Nationalpolitische Erziehungsanstalten (Napola), was one of the inner circle, as was Dr. Joachim Caesar (d. Year 40), former head of the SS Education Office, and Himmler himself spent a lot of time thinking about educating the next generation of Nazis and future SS officers. Gottlob Berger (d. Year 31) was a former school inspector, as well as the father of Waffen-SS recruitment and training.

Reichsjugendführer Arthur Axmann, leader of the Hitler Youth, was not part of the absolute inner circle of SS leaders who planned the Neue Reich and learned about the ASN only at the last minute, but he managed to escape to the new world along with Bormann and obviously has some strong views on how to raise children as Nazis. As he has outlived many of the original inner circle and the next generations of leaders were often moulded by him, the 83-year-old Axmann has grown more important over time and in the Year 51 is a hugely influential elder statesman, respected and beloved by both the SS leadership and most factions in the NSDAP.

Dr. Jutta Rüdiger, whose Bund Deutscher Mädel has been a vital part of ASN indoctrination and a source of many SS-Helferinnen, has had influence out of all proportion with the subordinate status of her movement. In part this is due to her utter devotion to her work and in part due to her longevity, as in Year 51, she is still spry and alert at age 85 and remains the honorary Reichsreferentin des BDM, having only formally retired ten years ago (and neither of the two holders of the position since then having dared to deviate in any way from her wishes).

Her eternal and bitter rival is Heissmeyer's wife, Reichsfrauenführerin Gertrud Scholtz-Klink-Heissmeyer, leader of the Nationalsozialistische Frauenschaft, who also carved out a role, mainly in adult 'education' and indoctrination for women, which includes native born Aryans who achive citizenship. Also long-lived, Reichsfrauenführerin Scholtz-Klink-Heissmeyer is living, spry and still holding her position in Year 51.

*Depending on how to count Waffen-SS men who did not hold Allegemeine-SS rank, not to mention men who had joined the SS at some point, but were not active in it in any way. The actual politically significant SS men among the settlers, whose primary loyalty was to that organization, ahead of the NSDAP, Germany or any other group, consisted of maybe 5% at the very most, with only about half that being truly committed to Himmler's vision and not having any kind of conflicted loyalties. That being said, about 40-45% of the initial settlers were members of the NSDAP. In Year 51, SS men (not counting those serving with the Waffen-SS) make up about 1% of free citizens and 22% of the citizens are members of the NSDAP, but this is deceptive, in that this represents merely the fact that minors under the age of 18 outnumber adults and that these numbers actually represent about 10% of the population being from SS families and 60% of free, adult citizens being NSDAP members.

Originally Posted by johndallman View Post
That is going to give rise to some interesting social stresses. They will have to acknowledge the existence of Christianity and Judaism because the history of Nazism doesn't make sense without that information. Starting in about year 15, they're going to have teenagers wondering what about those religions made them so wrong and so hated. They may end up with underground versions of those religions, pieced together incorrectly from scarce clues.
Yep. And don't forget how much of their mythology, like most of German history, literature and mythology from the 8th century to the 20th, has explicitly Christian heroes, themes and morals. Unless they ban Wagner and more or less all the great German literature, they'll have teenagers growing up with romantic notions of Christian knights, kings and heroes, like Parsifal, Gawain, Lohengrin, Tannhäuser, Siegfried, Dietrich von Bern, Walther von Stolzing, Heinrich der Vogler, Heinrich der Löwe, Friedrich I Barbarossa, etc.

Not to mention that quite a few of the people recruited for skills and not politics, among the original Antarctic Space Nazi settlers, will have been Christian, and that some of them will be crucial enough to the early success of the settlement to make enforcing a law forbidding them their Christian faith self-defeating. As the Nazis so often did, the ASNs therefore passed draconian laws, but then quietly enforced them very selectively, which allowed the elite to break them.

Originally Posted by johndallman View Post
It's kind of like the way that in Paranoia, Communism keeps reappearing because anything The Computer is so concerned about must be interesting. Indeed, Bolshevism may exist as an underground movement among the ASN. There's potential for all kinds of Alpha Complex-like secret societies. See also this recent quote.

Though actual Bolshevism is not likely to enjoy any favour with the social groups most likely to form a counterweight to the SS in ASN society. But there are firebrands within the modern NSDAP in Year 51 who definitely seek their support from among the farm workers who see their sweat and blood enrich SS Junkers, as well as some brave souls trying to build support among the industrial workers on Jötunheim.

There are certainly young NSDAP politicians who are inspired by the Socialist part of the name and whose rhetoric echoes the socialist and communist agitators that the original Brownshirts fought against. The SS has become the party of conservative reaction, for all that they are all registered as NSDAP members, and despite the one party system, factions within the NSDAP are for all intents and purposes growing into rival political parties that strives for influence within the Party machine.
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