Knight Mare
 

Am I missing something or is the Knight Mare just a level 22 monster pretty much?

Re: Knight Mare
 

No, as level and combat strength are different things, but her unaltered combat strength is at least 22:

• Against only non-Centaurs, she's a Level 20 with a combat strength of 22.
• Against only Centaurs, she's a Level 20 with a combat strength of 24.
• Against a mix of Centaurs and non-Centaurs, she's a Level 20 with a combat strength of 26.

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Gotcha. I guess I sort of meant this :)

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What if you are a Half-Breed Centaur?

Re: Knight Mare
 

You would look very strange.


Pat

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If you have Half-Breed and Centaur, and no other Race cards, Knight Mare would have a strength of 22 in that case, since it would be as though you did not have the Centaur Race.

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I agree with Enzzo, unless the Half-Centaur is fighting alongside a full Centaur. In that case, it is an advantage to be a Centaur to keep the Knight Mare at 24 rather than 26.

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what if half-Dwarf/half-Elf is fighting her? She gets +2 against both Dwarves and Elves, so will she get +4 in this case? and what if half-Gnome/half-Halfling helps him? because FAQ says,

but I'm not sure if it works for this particular case.

the other question: does she get +2 against Classes/Mojos/Accents etc. or against Races only?

Re: Knight Mare
 

There's a similar monster, The Kevinator from Munchkin: The Guild that has +5 against everyone. It has been ruled that that means a +5 total, not +5 per different type of Race or Class present. This makes it clear that the 'everyone else' of the Knight Mare will not discriminate between other classes. In other words, treat here second bonus as +2 against non-Centaurs. It would get a +2 against a Half-Dwarf-Elf, whether they have the Half-Gnome-Halfling Helper or not.

The definition above means this isn't important (and another good reason to treat it this way). It's a +2 against non-Centaurs, which would include people with no Race cards and any combination of other Stats, as they are Human.

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Good catch. The thread about The Kevinator is here.

So, if you are Centaur-Gnome, does she get +6?

what if they have Centaur race? e.g., Centaur-Wizard? Does she get +6?

What does the card text say, "+2 against non-Centaurs" or "+2 against everyone else"? I don't have it in front of me.

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It says +2 against everyone else. I interpret that as +2 against non-Centaurs, but I don't think that has ever been officially ruled upon, so I may very well be wrong.

As for the Half-Centaur-Gnome, the player is not a non-Centaur, so I'd actually think the Knight Mare would be at +4. This also works with the original wording as it would be weird to say that a single munchkin could be both a Centaur and 'everyone else'.

This also solves the Centaur Wizard problem. It would be a +4 here too. I'm classifying non-Centaurs as characters that aren't considered to be Centaurs, so a Centaur's additional Races, Classes, etc. are irrelevant.

Re: Knight Mare
 

maybe I don't understand you, but very often a single munchkin is a Centaur and 'everyone else': Cleric, Thief, Wizard etc. Or they may use Half-Breed card and be a Centaur and Gnome, Elf, Dwarf etc.
a quote from FAQ says that the monster's bonuses for different Races/Classes stack if he meets munchkin with both these Races/Classes, and the Knight-Mare card does not say otherwise. So the "against Centaurs" and "against non-Centaurs" bonuses should stack and give +6 to monster.

we have the same sitation there.

I guess we need to stop arguing and wait for an official response.

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The Knight Mare cares about Races, not any other traits. If you are a Centaur or Half-Centaur, she is at +2 against you -- she's only +4 if you have no Centaur component to your Race.

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Thanks Andrew. You got the two bonuses the wrong way around, though. The Knight Mare is +4 against Centaurs and +2 against everyone else.

Also, a Half-Centaur that does not have any other Race should be able to claim they are everyone else, as that's a disadvantage to being a Centaur, right?

Could you please confirm whether I'm correct that these bonuses can stack when there are two or more different combatants on the munchkin side (via Helper or Hireling), one a Centaur and one not?

Andrew's response does remove the doubt I had on this part, so I'll try to fully clarify what I meant. By non-Centaur, I don't mean having a component which is something other than Centaur. I mean being a character which is not considered to be a Centaur. A Half-Centaur-Gnome cannot say he is not a Centaur. Neither can a Centaur Wizard. A Half-Centaur with no other Race can choose if he is a Centaur or if he is not a Centaur, depending which choice is more advantageous. Thus, these two bonuses could never stack on any one character, as no character would ever be both a Centaur and a non-Centaur.

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This is beginning to make my head hurt, and I did quite well in the 'proofs' segment of Geometry. If I am alone in being puzzled about how much the mare cares about whom and why, then I abase myself in front of the reader at this time.