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MunchkinMan 08-06-2012 10:21 PM

Re: A weird situation
 
As you have the game in French, which everyone seems to have missed (please pay attention to the details guys, so you don't give out incorrect or misleading information), then we have no say on what did or didn't happen with respect to the rules changes that happened in the English version in 2010. It's the responsibility of the French (and any other foreign) language licensee supplying Canada to decide whether to keep up with SJG's changes or not. I'm going to assume, for the following statement, that they have not, so it's completely possible to have picked up a brand new, freshly printed, French version of the game and have the old rules.

MunchkinMan 08-06-2012 10:33 PM

Re: A weird situation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BurnongWinter (Post 1418827)
And I'm a bit confused, does a level 4 monster with a combat strengh of 2 get smashed by a munchkin with a combat strengh of 3? XD

Combat strength is the determining factor in any combat, regardless of what version you have, even before we started using the term combat strength officially. In any version of the rules, combat is decided by comparing the Level of the munchkin side, plus any bonuses, and minus any penalties, to the Level of the Monster side, plus any bonuses, and minus any penalties. So, if a Monster has a Level of 4, and is somehow hit with a -2 penalty, giving it a combat strength of 2, then a munchkin with a combat strength of 3 or better will definitely be able to kill that Monster.

Andrew Hackard 08-06-2012 11:00 PM

Re: A weird situation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MunchkinMan (Post 1418841)
It's the responsibility of the French (and any other foreign) language licensee supplying Canada to decide whether to keep up with SJG's changes or not.

FYI: We require all licensees to update their games to our latest version when they issue new printings, and we do our best due diligence to check the files before they are printed.

Edited to clarify: We DO NOT check every word of every translation. Errors of translation do creep in. But there are specific things we know to look for, and we look for them.

BurnongWinter 08-07-2012 04:47 AM

Re: A weird situation
 
Well that was the use of combat strengh that confused me in the first place.

Now I cheked this morning on the cards to see if the changes in the updated rules section were made and here's what I found :

The tuba has the + 3 to flee and you can pick a treasure if you succeed to flee.

The halfling: you can discard one card if you failed to run away on your first try to try again.

The baby card: -5 TO THE LEVEL of the monster MINIMUM 1.

So it seems that the changes were made but that the problem with a monster's level is still present, translation problem?? Every monster's enhancer still read to the monster's level.

BurnongWinter 08-07-2012 04:51 AM

Re: A weird situation
 
I also checked the wandering monster card. It says their combat strengh are added to each other... And those card were all in the same package when my friend opened his box the first time.

Andrew Hackard 08-07-2012 06:04 AM

Re: A weird situation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BurnongWinter (Post 1418985)
So it seems that the changes were made but that the problem with a monster's level is still present, translation problem?? Every monster's enhancer still read to the monster's level.

Then it looks like we didn't catch that. It's your choice whether you want to play with the cards as written (even incorrectly) or use the official rules and treat those cards as errata.

BurnongWinter 08-07-2012 05:49 PM

Re: A weird situation
 
Thanks a lot Andrew!

We will probably play with the updated rules now and make sure to clarify this to any new munchkin player we show the game to.

At least now there will be no more confusion.

Flemroid 08-07-2012 10:51 PM

Re: A weird situation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard (Post 1418835)
One thing that hasn't been addressed: when we changed the rules, we deleted the part that said monsters' combat strengths could not be less than 1.

Ok, I knew I saw this somewhere and I wasn't just making it up.

Knuckels 08-09-2012 11:05 AM

Re: A weird situation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BurnongWinter (Post 1418792)
He then do it and says 2 vs 2 I kill the monster!

At 2 vs 2 he loses!

Andrew Hackard 08-09-2012 11:15 AM

Re: A weird situation
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Knuckels (Post 1420160)
At 2 vs 2 he loses!

Nope, he was a Warrior.


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