[FD] Sylph Preservation
 

What is the exact definition of just in "...you have just played or discarded..." in Sylph Preservation?

1. If no one play/discard any other cards?

2. My last (even 10 mins before) played/discarded card?

3. Within 2.6 (or other arbitrary pre-defined number) seconds?

Thanks.

Re: [FD] Sylph Preservation
 

"Just" means "immediately".
In this case, it would mean that no other cards have been resolved between.

Re: [FD] Sylph Preservation
 

I think it goes further than that. It also means no Class/Race abilities have been used, no trades have been performed, charity hasn't been done, and no sales for levels have been made. In essence, it means that no game events have happened since the card was played.

Re: [FD] Sylph Preservation
 

If this is the case, then, I can't see any valid use case for use the Sylph Preservation to take back any one-shot Item in combat. Almost all one-shot Item's effect will be disapperared if I take back that Item by Sylph Preservation in combat and I can't take back that Item after the combat because "game event happened (combat -> win, level up/Run Away)".

Is this (no card events have happened) the right interpretation?

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I think it's: play one-shot in combat>play Sylph Preservation>take one-shot back in hand as cards from combat are being discarded. Sometimes you just have to play things in a way that makes sense (and is fair) rather than try to interpret every single word.

Re: [FD] Sylph Preservation
 

No, the +X to either side cards, monster enhancers and so on don't stay in effect while they are not on the table. However, Sylph Preservation can be used at two different times, either after you play or after you discard a card. For those one-shots that apply a bonus until they are discarded, choose to use Sylph Preservation when you discard them. For those that apply an immediate effect, like Pollymorph Potion, use the immediate effect after playing the card of Sylph Preservation.

The only problem here is that it says you must discard the cards, so I guess you can only get cards back if it's your combat, as the combat owner discards all the cards. It does allow you to actually get some neat cards from other players, though. Perhaps this is incorrect intent due to the use of "back into your hand", though.

Re: [FD] Sylph Preservation
 

To be fair, the quote is talking about monster enhancers specifically. Also there is precedent that when a card is returned to your hand the effect isn't canceled.

But I suppose it is unknown if that is a specific ruling about Restraining Order, or a general ruling about cards being returned to the hand.

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It's actually consistent. The way I read that thread is that the effects of Restraining Order do not undo instant effects that are already complete, such as Pollymorph Potion. It would stop the effects that last until the end of battle such as Pretty Balloons and monster enhancers, though.

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Perhaps, but the events that MM was responding to included a monster enhancer, true it didn't have an effect on the final result but it could have.

I guess I read the rulings as all effects persisted, which would make it simpler as people wouldn't be searching through their boxes looking for edge cases. Plus it would allow Sylph Preservation to have a use.

Re: [FD] Sylph Preservation
 

It does still have multiple uses. You can still get the one-shots you play into your own battles back, just wait until you are discarding them. You also get to potentially take your opponents one-shots that they play into your battles as you are the one discarding them (either that, or you get your own cards back as the opponent discards them, once we get a confirmed intention of the card text). Any of your one shots that have immediate effects can also be brought back into your hand and played again via the other play method.

Doing it this way removes bookkeeping, as you don't need to remember which cards have been played and removed from the table to remember to keep applying their effects. Just look at what's on the table to figure out what the current combat strength is. It's not an edge case scenario as it's almost always clear which card effects are instantaneous and which are temporary. It also matches the rulings we have regarding Restraining Order and Potion of Apathy for cards returned to their owners.

Edit: Hmm, I think I'll take the you discarding thing to another thread just to avoid confusion.