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Sunrunners_Fire 06-08-2012 07:40 PM

Re: [Psionic Powers] Do inanimate targets resist Malediction with HT or Will?
 
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Originally Posted by Anthony (Post 1389728)
I generally don't consider forum rulings to be more than 'house rules used by the author'.

Any/every post by Kromm and Rev PK as regards the rules should be considered rules-as-intended; they are the ultimate arbiters as to whether something is an official rule or if something is a house rule. You may ignore them if you wish, of course, (gods know I do sometimes!), but they are what they are.

Flyndaran 06-08-2012 08:35 PM

Re: [Psionic Powers] Do inanimate targets resist Malediction with HT or Will?
 
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Originally Posted by Sunrunners_Fire (Post 1389743)
Any/every post by Kromm and Rev PK as regards the rules should be considered rules-as-intended; they are the ultimate arbiters as to whether something is an official rule or if something is a house rule. You may ignore them if you wish, of course, (gods know I do sometimes!), but they are what they are.

Rules As Written almost always trump Rules As Intended, in my opinion.

Not another shrubbery 06-09-2012 05:05 PM

Re: [Psionic Powers] Do inanimate targets resist Malediction with HT or Will?
 
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Originally Posted by sir_pudding (Post 1389660)
Attribute: N/A is absolutely a house rule (and personally one that I don't like at all), by RAW it doesn't exist.

Yes? I certainly wasn't trying to imply that I was giving anything other than my opinion on the way things should be.

I'd be interested in learning why you dislike the concept, although we might want to take it elsewhere.

Anthony 06-09-2012 05:16 PM

Re: [Psionic Powers] Do inanimate targets resist Malediction with HT or Will?
 
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Originally Posted by sir_pudding (Post 1389660)
Attribute: N/A is absolutely a house rule (and personally one that I don't like at all), by RAW it doesn't exist.

RAW doesn't really say what the will of an object is. However, it's hard to make sense of will for anything that lacks volition; for the conventional effects of will (excluding maledictions and other effects specifically swapped to Will), you can argue anywhere from zero (it can't choose to do anything) to infinite (it can't be talked into doing anything either). The easiest method is probably Will 0 plus Immunity to Effects vs Will.

LemmingLord 06-09-2012 05:30 PM

Re: [Psionic Powers] Do inanimate targets resist Malediction with HT or Will?
 
I like the idea of inanimate objects resisting with hit points.. since hit points are suppose to represent mass and, at least in some genres, the heavier something this the more difficult it is to do things to it.

Edges 06-09-2012 05:31 PM

Re: [Psionic Powers] Do inanimate targets resist Malediction with HT or Will?
 
As an interesting aside, The Free Will Theorem suggests that if we have free will, so do elementary particles.

LemmingLord 06-09-2012 05:33 PM

Re: [Psionic Powers] Do inanimate targets resist Malediction with HT or Will?
 
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Originally Posted by Edges (Post 1390287)
As an interesting aside, The Free Will Theorem suggests that if we have free will, so do elementary particles.

That's funny! I had considered moments before suggesting that in some genres, "animate" creatures don't have will either... hehehe

vierasmarius 06-09-2012 07:10 PM

Re: [Psionic Powers] Do inanimate targets resist Malediction with HT or Will?
 
Shifting from the specifics of Psionic Powers towards general rules territory, there seems to be room for more differentiation in the "Resisted by X" modifiers. For instance, "Resisted by higher of Will or HT" would clearly be a limitation (and would make it obvious what Will 0 entities should resist with) while "Resisted by lower of Will or HT" would be an enhancement. Any thoughts on how these should be priced?

LemmingLord 06-09-2012 07:39 PM

Re: [Psionic Powers] Do inanimate targets resist Malediction with HT or Will?
 
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Originally Posted by vierasmarius (Post 1390316)
Shifting from the specifics of Psionic Powers towards general rules territory, there seems to be room for more differentiation in the "Resisted by X" modifiers. For instance, "Resisted by higher of Will or HT" would clearly be a limitation (and would make it obvious what Will 0 entities should resist with) while "Resisted by lower of Will or HT" would be an enhancement. Any thoughts on how these should be priced?

Logical. I would prefer to use the powers accessibility table to determine the limitation value. Consider your character's usual effective skill, consider the average will and average ht of those subjects the character is likely to want to use the power on... then determine the possibility a subject would successfully resist accordingly..

So if the contest is between you IQ+tallent vs min(will & ht) or vs max(will & ht):

hmmm... ok, well i don't have the math today...

But consider that if in such a contest your IQ+Tallent = the min(will & ht) or max(will & ht) that 50% chance is a -20% limitation.

Most builds I've seen for maledictions or mind controllers have a much higher chance than this of beating the subjects resisting stat anyway, probably approaching th th 80 or 90 percent success rate... which is -5% to -10% limitation value.

Sunrunners_Fire 06-09-2012 07:47 PM

Re: [Psionic Powers] Do inanimate targets resist Malediction with HT or Will?
 
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Originally Posted by vierasmarius (Post 1390316)
Shifting from the specifics of Psionic Powers towards general rules territory, there seems to be room for more differentiation in the "Resisted by X" modifiers. For instance, "Resisted by higher of Will or HT" would clearly be a limitation (and would make it obvious what Will 0 entities should resist with) while "Resisted by lower of Will or HT" would be an enhancement. Any thoughts on how these should be priced?

Either/Or Limitations:
Resistible (HT or Will) (-5), -0.25%
Resistible (HT or Will) (-4), -1%
Resistible (HT or Will) (-3), -2.25%
Resistible (HT or Will) (-2), -5%
Resistible (HT or Will) (-1), -6.25%
Resistible (HT or Will) (-0), -9% ... Either (Resistible (HT) (-0)) Or (Resistible (Will) (-0)) is -9%.
Resistible (HT or Will) (+1), -12.25%
Resistible (HT or Will) (+2), -16%
Resistible (HT or Will) (+3), -20.25%
Resistible (HT or Will) (+4), -25%
Resistible (HT or Will) (+5), -30.25%
Resistible (HT or Will) (+6), -36%
Resistible (HT or Will) (+7), -42.25%
Resistible (HT or Will) (+8), -49%
Resistible (HT or Will) (+9), -56.25%
Resistible (HT or Will) (+10), -64%

... I would rule that the above is how to calculate "Resisted by the highest of HT or Will" and that "Resisted by the lowest of HT or Will" would require the addition of Selectivity, +10% to the advantage itself.


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