Voodoo zombie curse resolution
 

Me and my friends got a issue that raised a heated argument.

I played a curse "draiiiiins" on my friend which made him lose the powers. The argument was raised that the curse goes under the powers card as it is discarded immediately. I argued that the curse must resolve causing him to lose his powers and thus is placed on top.

Please help!

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Ah, so you want to know whether you can pick it up or not as you are a Voodoo Zombie? I'm inclined to say you discard the cards before you discard the curse, for simplicity's purposes, but I haven't seen a ruling on this before so I could well be wrong.

I could also see it being argued that the cards should be discarded together like all the cards in a combat. For combats, the owner of the combat describes the order, so perhaps the person who was cursed should decide the order of the discards, or even the player who's turn it is...

Edit: Actually, I remove my doubts. I'm fairly sure the rules support my original idea (and yours too). Here's what they say about curses:
This gives you an order of events. It affects you and then it's discarded. It will be on top of the pile after it applies. It makes the Voodoo Mojo even more nasty, although there will be ways to break your chain ability on a cool curse like that, such as the player before you selling Items for levels or discarding their Mojo or using a GUAL after you use the curse.

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Would love to hear a ruling on this as it is a heated very heated argument. I fell the curse is cast. It has to take effect meaning the powers are discarded then then the curse is resolved and goes on top. Well my logic at least

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Ok thanks I agree. My Friends are now in an uproar an say it is only one persons opinion. Anyone else agree? Or do I pull I am the owner of the game card.

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Point out the statement in the rules and ask them how it supports their interpretation. It seems clear that it applies immediately before it is discarded.

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The current player decides the order in which cards are discarded.

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We've declared that the player whose turn it is discards the cards in the order they choose. So, if you are hit by a Curse that forces you to discard something, you discard all the cards at the same time in the order you choose.

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Thanks for the correction Andrew (and MunchkinMan). I really thought the rules were clear there, but at least I saw that one as a potential solution...

Looks like your mate wins after all, Ardy. At least the ruling helps balance the power of the Voodoo Mojo somewhat.

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Ok thanks I accept that. But does he choose the order of powers and then the curse goes on top. Or does it mean he chooses the order of powers and curse cards cards. lol man this game is argue intensive

#sorry for being persistent there is a sizable bet riding on this

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He chooses the order of all the cards discarded, just like I said. That includes the Curse/Trap.

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Looks like this was resolved after all!

I'm surprised that the one on whom the curse was played on gets to decide the order of which cards to place back down.
I definitely had thought it'd be set as one way or the either. I can see both sides of view for the curse to be discarded first, or for the powers to be discarded then the curse.

But I guess now we know for the future, the cursed player decides!

#slapsgiving ;)

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>grumble......yea yea....

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Well, it's not necessarily the person who was cursed. They said the "current player." So, if Ardy cursed someone else on his own turn, he'd decide the order, and he could do it in his favor.

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I really thought that the "current player" would be the person any card was played against, not who's turn it is.

I hope Andrew or Erik will provide further clarification.

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The person whose turn it is is the current player who gets to choose the order of discards. That has been stated in several topics, such as the Transferal Potion topics.

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so let's discuss a hypothetical game with 4 players, A,B,C,D

Let's say it is Player A's turn, and during that turn, Player B curses Player C. (with a curse that makes Player C give up powers to the discard pile)

So at this point, it's currently Player A's turn, and the curse was played by Player B onto Player C.

Who would decide the order of the cards to go into the discard pile, Player A, B, or C? Because it's Player A's turn, but the curse was played onto Player C.

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Obviously Player-A, since that is whose turn it is.

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Oh man this made it comicated again. Ok so let me lay out what happened clearly. Player A is me player B is getting cursed. Player C is about to end his turn which would be followed by player A turn.

Before player C ends turn player A plays Drainnnnssss! On player B who loses one power.

As we did not know the resolution I said player B discards his power thus curse is resolved and then placed on top of power. Player B said no curse discards immediately and then power on it.

And here is here te #slapsgiving began.


So just to be clear was player C's turn. Followed by player A's turn. Player B was not up but was cursed. At beginning of player A's turn he would get te curse if it was on top

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This statement lends to the ambiguity - since it first seems to imply that the person whose turn it is decides, but then later seems to imply that the person hit by the curse decides. (unless it's specifically referring to a case where the person hit by the curse happens to also be the one whose turn it is...)

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So, following what Ardy just wrote above, it presents the same dilemma as the hypothetical case I presented above.

Thus, the final question remains - who decides the order the cards are put into the discard pile - the one who plays the curse, the one who is cursed, or the player whose turn it currently is.

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I don't mean to be rude, but how can Andrew's words be taken any other way?

Ardy, in the example you described Player C would get to decide what order the cards hit the discard pile.

If player A plays a curse on player B during player C's turn, player B makes any needed choices about what to discard, but player C gets to decide the order they go to the discard pile.

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So, I meant to say if you get hit with a Curse on your turn. That erases any ambiguity.

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In hopes that no one who read this far is still confused, it can be helpful during play to pass a turn indicator token of some sort.
It could be 'the die', if somehow you only have the six-sider that came with the game, but it would be smoother if it was not something that might need to be rolled by someone whose turn it was not.
Regardless of who played a curse, or upon whom, the order of cards sent to the discard, when in question, is set by the person with that token at that time.
This probably applies to piles of cards generated by contested combats, though we usually play with a referee/dealer which renders that moot for us.

When they are done with every bit of their turn, including perhaps charity, they should formally pass the turn.

Perhaps a miniature plastic seabird would fill the roll. :-)